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A lot of high-tier stuff for SCP also existed long before the verse was even formally evaluated in the vs debating community
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Absolutely no offense intended to you or anyone else here, Ant, but I feel discussing the specifics of whether SCP should or should not be allowed is fairly counterproductive to this thread's purpose, and should be left as a topic for a separate discussion, given how it is very much its own, immensely more controversial, can of worms. So by extension, you shouldn't be making indirect attacks at SCP in response to a post asserting exactly that.
All-in-all, I agree with Mori on that front: Keep SCP as an "Exception, not the rule" thing, by virtue of the circumstances that are specific to it (Which I believe have already been sufficiently outlined above), and brush off Backrooms-based wiki fiction to the side, for now. I believe that's what this thread was about from the start, no?
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Let's just wait and see how it goes.
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The only thing that all of these backrooms verses have in common is level 0. That's it, and everything else branches out and never intersects ever again.
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Yeah, I agree we stay on topic. This is about deleting the Backrooms wikifiction and nothing more.
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But there's no Backrooms page to delete...
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On the topic of Backrooms content on Wikidot, 19 users (11 staff) are against it being allowed on the wiki in its current state, while 9 users (7 staff) are for it being allowed in its current state.
On the topic of non-wikifiction Backrooms content, 7 users (4 staff) seem to be against it being allowed on the wiki, while 21 users (14 staff) seem to be for it being allowed on the wiki.
Is that enough of a consensus, or should we wait for more comments?
On the topic of non-wikifiction Backrooms content, 7 users (4 staff) seem to be against it being allowed on the wiki, while 21 users (14 staff) seem to be for it being allowed on the wiki.
Is that enough of a consensus, or should we wait for more comments?
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Non-wikifiction?
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I see...but didn't it somewhat rip a page for reference out of wikidot tho? (Except the government project part)
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When I mean "rip a page out of wikidot", I meant the idea of entities.
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This thread wasn't really meant to be about things like Kanes (as I didn't know they exist), tbh.
We seem to agree that collaborative/wikifiction Backrooms are good to throw out, though. SCP is a completely different matter, and this thread isn't remotely proposing the deletion of it in any way whatsoever.
We seem to agree that collaborative/wikifiction Backrooms are good to throw out, though. SCP is a completely different matter, and this thread isn't remotely proposing the deletion of it in any way whatsoever.
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To be honest, I'm kinda lost about what's suppose to happen or what were we talking about.
Yes, but only for now.
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10 users (8 staff) were against wikifiction backrooms ever being allowed, and 18 users (10 staff) were open to it being allowed some day.
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That's the point. The same thing happened to Wukong yet his profile came back here after more than 2 years afaik.
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Frankly, is there much difference between the two options? The indefinite ban can always be challenged, and that ends up being the equivalent of "allowing the verse some day".
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I was counting "allow"s and different known conditions that those users think would cause the Backrooms to be allowed.
None of this stuff about "wikifiction contamination" could change, but if Liminal Archives was the only Backrooms thing that people cared about, I (and a few others) would be okay with it being on the wiki.
I think it's relevant whether our opinion has to change, or whether the site has to change a modest, known amount.
None of this stuff about "wikifiction contamination" could change, but if Liminal Archives was the only Backrooms thing that people cared about, I (and a few others) would be okay with it being on the wiki.
I think it's relevant whether our opinion has to change, or whether the site has to change a modest, known amount.
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Seems the case is close to being resolved. However, it would be better to discuss what makes collaborative fiction an actual exception of a rule. Because “we’ll wait and see” is fine in theory, but we still need to know what criteria we need to look at.
Main comparison is SCP verse, which is obvious enough. So, it’d be best to give a list of things explaining why SCP is allowed. Like strict rules and moderation, etc.
Alternatively, since it appears a lot of people aren’t even sure about SCP, we can close this thread for a time being to discuss SCP in another one, and what makes it an exception.
I just want a proper closure, whether we allowing something, not, why, and for how long.
Main comparison is SCP verse, which is obvious enough. So, it’d be best to give a list of things explaining why SCP is allowed. Like strict rules and moderation, etc.
Alternatively, since it appears a lot of people aren’t even sure about SCP, we can close this thread for a time being to discuss SCP in another one, and what makes it an exception.
I just want a proper closure, whether we allowing something, not, why, and for how long.
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Meh, collaborative fiction getting thrown out is kinda wonky given two of the biggest collaborative fiction verses are also the biggest verses within the wiki (Marvel and DC Comics respectively), and except a point as arbitrary as "getting published" both verses aren't much different from the one being discussed.
If the verse is significant enough, supporters can just band together and create a canon guideline, it's what we do for SCP, Marvel and DC, I don't see why we can't just do that for Backrooms given the supporter base is notable enough to garner consensus from.
It's not really an exception when 3 verses already do it, you can make the argument of it being "too much work", but if people are willing to do it there shouldn't be a problem
If the verse is significant enough, supporters can just band together and create a canon guideline, it's what we do for SCP, Marvel and DC, I don't see why we can't just do that for Backrooms given the supporter base is notable enough to garner consensus from.
It's not really an exception when 3 verses already do it, you can make the argument of it being "too much work", but if people are willing to do it there shouldn't be a problem
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I... actually didn't thought of that before.
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It's not that dum if you think lightly of it.
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Why? Except notability I guess, the scenario is the same, and what I am saying is, in the scenario Backrooms IS notable enough, it's very well listable though what we do for Marvel.
I'm just giving out the general collab fiction metric here.
I'm just giving out the general collab fiction metric here.
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There are verses less notable than the Backrooms on the wiki. The Backrooms isn't getting deleted because of its notability.
One distinction between the Backrooms and Marvel/DC is that the latter have publishers and editors to review it before it goes out, while the former doesn't. It gets put out there, and if it's exceptionally bad it gets removed. Another is that the writers for Marvel/DC are deliberately hired, while the ones for the Backrooms just hop onto the website, pass the scrutinizing process, and post their stories.
For me, the important difference is that there's many competing sources of Backroom canon. And since the original author isn't known, it's unclear which of these should take precedence, and which should be considered fanfiction. For SCP that's easy; the scp-wiki (and anything else it chooses to affiliate itself with) is canon, and works outside of it (including games) are fan-content.
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Let me adjust 2 things.
"It gets put out there, if it does not fit from the lore's perspective at all it gets removed"
"The ones for the backrooms just hop onto the website, pass the scrutinizing process, and post their entities, levels or tales"
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I could give about a dozen reasons why comparing The Backrooms to Marvel is ridiculous, but I'll start with this.
Let's take your premise that Marvel is essentially indistinguishable from SCP in terms of how we should treat it on the wiki, which is already a very flawed argument. This thread proposes that SCP is fine for the reasons that it is currently allowed, including how difficult it is to get content in SCP and how high the standards are. Now, I don't know how difficult it is to get hired as a write for Marvel, but I have a feeling the processes are a wee bit more tough than anything SCP has.
Bringing up Marvel has literally no point whatsoever on this thread when the OP that I wrote clearly spells out what the guidelines have been and should be, of which Marvel is so far away from you'd need a spyglass to even see the boundary. Please, stay on-topic, this is getting ridiculous.
Let's take your premise that Marvel is essentially indistinguishable from SCP in terms of how we should treat it on the wiki, which is already a very flawed argument. This thread proposes that SCP is fine for the reasons that it is currently allowed, including how difficult it is to get content in SCP and how high the standards are. Now, I don't know how difficult it is to get hired as a write for Marvel, but I have a feeling the processes are a wee bit more tough than anything SCP has.
Bringing up Marvel has literally no point whatsoever on this thread when the OP that I wrote clearly spells out what the guidelines have been and should be, of which Marvel is so far away from you'd need a spyglass to even see the boundary. Please, stay on-topic, this is getting ridiculous.
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Mmm...you seem awfully serious about this minor comparison.
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People have attempted to go greatly off-topic on this thread for a copious amount of time, made only more annoying by how much of a generally forgone conclusion the thread is. The overwhelming majority agree that The Backrooms should go, sans definitively self-contained works (as defined in previous posts) that otherwise follow our rules. If nobody has a reason to keep this thread open, I'll probably close it when I wake up.
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There's not a better time to close it than the present is there?
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I would rather wait to give people an opportunity to say something.
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Alright then.
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I am in agreement with the Impress on this.
But in any case, I am in favour of allowing this verse. As someone else pointed out earlier, we need to just pick one and stick to it. As long as it has canon, it should be alright.
But in any case, I am in favour of allowing this verse. As someone else pointed out earlier, we need to just pick one and stick to it. As long as it has canon, it should be alright.
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I don't have much experience with the backrooms "verse" (or SCP for that matter), but this option makes the most sense to me.
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So has Mortizva received sufficient agreements for us to create a general rule about SCP being an exception, but that we otherwise do not allow easily cross-contaminated fan-created wiki content, especially if it does not originate in actual stories, just in fact sheets?
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Cross-contaminated?
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