The Absolute Evil against a Blue Hedgehog (Garou VS Sonic)

[Pyro9278]

- Sonic Adventure: It is restricted to its key 3-C, has its standard equipment, has access to Forcejewels, the Spin Dash upgrade (Unique), and carries 3 rings with him.

- Garou: He uses Parallel Timeline in 3-C and is absolutely furious.

- Equal Speed and SBA from the rest.

Garou (At least/greater than 36.38 ZettaFoe):

Sonic (Scale to 59.56 Zettafoe):

Incon:

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Unless Garou can swiftly catch up to Sonic via AD + Power Mimicry, he's gonna get outhaxed. I don't see any hax that would be particularly fatal for Sonic from Garou's end.

 

[MrTayman616]

Speed is equal. Garou should be able to copy him instantly then.

What are the wincons for Sonic?

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Speed is equal. Garou should be able to copy him instantly then.

What are the wincons for Sonic?

Bunch of hax, he's given the forcejewels and chaos emeralds alongside his base hax and 3 rings

 

[MrTayman616]

Then Garou catching up or surpassing him doesn't matter at all even if it were to happen instantly, no? So this is stomp match?

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Then Garou catching up or surpassing him doesn't matter at all even if it were to happen instantly, no? So this is stomp match?

His haxes are via equipment, and has more layers. If you check his page he has reality warping on the 6D level. Sonic also has AD but to a lesser extent than Garou.

 

[Omegabronic]

Unless Garou can swiftly catch up to Sonic via AD + Power Mimicry, he's gonna get outhaxed. I don't see any hax that would be particularly fatal for Sonic from Garou's end.

Radiation, pretty sure Sonic just dies here

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Radiation, pretty sure Sonic just dies here

Slow down, he has two radiation manipulation resistances on his profile (for some reason)

 

[LaserPrecision]

Slow down, he has two radiation manipulation resistances on his profile (for some reason)

Garou's radiation is far more potent. It has values listed on the profile. Goes far beyond Sonic's resistance.

His haxes are via equipment, and has more layers. If you check his page he has reality warping on the 6D level. Sonic also has AD but to a lesser extent than Garou.

Overall or in regards to overcoming a strength gap? If so, Sonic's AD can be better. Just circumstantial.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Slow down, he has two radiation manipulation resistances on his profile (for some reason)

Potency of said resistance matters. Whichever is stronger, idk, but I've heard shit about Garou's
Edit: ninja'd

 

[Pyro9278]

Slow down, he has two radiation manipulation resistances on his profile (for some reason)

If Sonic doesn't have the Forcejewels, would it be more balanced or would it be the same? Also for the Chaos Emeralds, although I don't know if they can be restricted since they are part of his standard team

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Garou's radiation is far more potent. It has values listed on the profile. Goes far beyond Sonic's resistance.

Overall or in regards to overcoming a strength gap? If so, Sonic's AD can be better. Just circumstantial.

Is there even a calc for the black holes that Sonic resisted being near? Wouldn't that be left ambiguous? I guess for now that's a W con for Garou.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

If Sonic doesn't have the Forcejewels, would it be more balanced or would it be the same? Also for the Chaos Emeralds, although I don't know if they can be restricted since they are part of his standard team

He has 'em, listed under SE

 

[LaserPrecision]

Is there even a calc for the black holes that Sonic resisted being near? Wouldn't that be left ambiguous? I guess for now that's a W con for Garou.

No calculations. But like, Sonic can be pulled into said Black Holes and turn out fine (Sonic Shuffle is where I believe it comes from). So he can get pretty close.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

No calculations. But like, Sonic can be pulled into said Black Holes and turn out fine (Sonic Shuffle is where I believe it comes from). So he can get pretty close.

I know that he can fall into one and get out. There's also Lost World and Colors Black Holes.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Supernatural Willpower and his resistance to radiation would help him last longer right? Doesnt he have precog to alert him from danger?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Supernatural Willpower and his resistance to radiation would help him last longer right? Doesnt he have precog to alert him from danger?

It's a passive radioactive aura that can kill in like, seconds IIRC. Precog won't help a lot unless he chooses to try and zone out Garou (Which isn't sustainable), or immediately go for the kill. Maybe at most you can argue the damage his body suffers from the radiation gets transferred to the Rings, but idk.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Then could he use Last Chance (See Classic Sonic profile) to ressurect himself and go for an incap option like sealing with Magic Hands or Ring Time transmutation?

Edit: Magic Hands is restricted, forgot that.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Then could he use Last Chance (See Classic Sonic profile) to ressurect himself and go for an incap option like sealing with Magic Hands or Ring Time transmutation?

would that even matter if he gets spawn killed again by the radiation

 

[Omegabronic]

Then could he use Last Chance (See Classic Sonic profile) to ressurect himself and go for an incap option like sealing with Magic Hands or Ring Time transmutation?

Actually, this might be viable

 

[McFriesGuy075]

would that even matter if he gets spawn killed again by the radiation

I don't think he wouldn't last long enough to perform one of his wincons on a retry.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

For the record I'm not saying him ressurecting and using his wincons right off the bat would end up with him less affected by the radiation, he'd probably succumb right after Garou gets turned into a ring and collected.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

I don't think he wouldn't last long enough to perform one of his wincons on a retry.

Is last chance part of Gens Classic or OG Classic?

 

[Omegabronic]

Is last chance part of Gens Classic or OG Classic?

... both have the same hax as one another

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Is last chance part of Gens Classic or OG Classic?

Generations Classic can use the skill, whatever Classic Sonic does, Adventure Sonic can do it too, they're the same Sonic.

 

[LaserPrecision]

I dunno if Last Chance can recover from Radiation poisoning. What it can revive from is based on the feats of what it's shown to revive Sonic from. He'd "revive" have the same injuries as a result of the radiation poisoning, and would instantly die again from like, his brain literally melting in his skull (Exaggeration, but you get the idea).

 

[HenshinIntervention]

... both have the same hax as one another

I thought those two were separated in hax like in tiering

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Doesnt 1-ups (Which is what the Last Chance does) basically create a new body?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Doesnt 1-ups (Which is what the Last Chance does) basically create a new body?

I'm not sure. The page doesn't explain it very well. But honestly I think a better argument is saying Sonic's speed will restore his body from cellular decay or smth (Via Gens). But it feels kinda ratty.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

I'm not sure. The page doesn't explain it very well. But honestly I think a better argument is saying Sonic's speed will restore his body from cellular decay or smth (Via Gens). But it feels kinda ratty.

Well the Sonic Heal technique does have him vibrating his molecules at supersonic speeds

 

[LaserPrecision]

Well the Sonic Heal technique does have him vibrating his molecules at supersonic speeds

lol, true. Admittedly I dunno a lot about Radiation, so I dunno what would or wouldn't be able to circumvent it. But I think it causes damage on a molecular level. So if you can regenerate molecules or smth, you should be able to get around it. But Sonic Heal doesn't heal his molecules. Heals his body by vibrating his molecules.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

He's got the Chaos Emeralds in standard equipment, I'm pretty sure he uses Chaos Control the most in Adventure era.

Also we may have forgotten to give him the Boost. He's present in Speed Simulator.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

He's got the Chaos Emeralds in standard equipment, I'm pretty sure he uses Chaos Control the most in Adventure era.

Also we may have forgotten to give him the Boost. He's present in Speed Simulator.

Oh yeah I main him in Speed Sim idk why I forgot about that