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Tensura Light novel vol 16 upgrade Part 1

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Some upgrades from vol 16. Ill make it clear and simple

  • For Ap without feats in TD key. I used Benimaru Ap as a base. Benimaru being stronger than awaken Demon lord rimuru when he become td = comparable to single digit = single digit being state to be comparable to Awaken demon lords = Continent+ level

Rimuru​

Immortality Negation (type 9), and possibly Acausality Negation (type 3; Analyse and copied velgrynd space time continues attack, rimuru could kill anyone no matter how far are they across space and time, Ignoring parallel existence and can hit the main body of target. Can hit at any point of time)

Pocket Reality Manipulation and Greatly improved Sealing (type 2; via Complex Space/Imaginary space, a sub skill of Void God Azathoth, world of chaos is an upgrade version of rimuru stomach. Capable of locking a target inside and was able to to isolate and seal velgrynd from coming out, an ultimate existence and ultimate skill user. Also capable of using complex Space as defense)


Treyni​

Spatial manipulation, Invisibility and Durability Negation (can lunch a swarm of countless unseen and unavoidable blades that can shear through dimension)


Beretta​

True demon lord key

Ap: Continental+ Level (as awakened demon lords, should be comparable to single digits)

Speed: same as before

Holy manipulation, unholy manipulation, spatial manipulation, Information manipulation (type 2) and Durability Negation ( he was mixing a dark and holy elements to attack. And it was bypassing dino defensive as its contain spirit base attack)

Power modification (reverse dino attack to opposite attribute)

Resistance to Status Inducement (demon has resistance against status effects)

Sub skills
  • Madness manipulation -lords Ambition
  • Earth manipulation -mineral Domination, earth attribute Domination
  • Spatial manipulation -control space
  • Forcefield creation -multi layer barrier




Geld​

True demon lord key

Ap: Continental+ level (as a true demon lord, he should be comparable to a Single digits) | Continental+ level (exchange blows with garasha, a primordial angel who boast energy that transcend an awaken demon lord rd, also state they are equivalent to gods after being named by Veldanava)

Durability: continental+ level (exchanged blows with garasha)

Empowerment, damage transferal and statistic amplification (via Grant Protection, he can provide a full layer of defense, and could use Iron Wall and Stand-in to take damage in place of his companions)


Sub skill
Madness manipulation (type 3) - lords Ambition
Regeneration (high) - ultra speed regeneration
Spatial manipulation - space control



Agree: @DeusExMachine001 @Wikisource @SR001 (neutral on durability neg) @Flyyyyy4280 @Tempestdragon6 @oyasumi @Catpija (neutral on A3 negs) @DarkDragonMedeus
 
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AzuRizzz said:
Disagree with immo 9 neg.

It's just range for this part afaik
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Base on my understanding the requirements is being outside of universe. And heavenly palace is separated space time continuum from cardinal world. And velgrynd killing Cornu along his main body in another Space-Time continuum.
 
Shiraito983 said:
Base on my understanding the requirements is being outside of universe. And heavenly palace is separated space time continuum from cardinal world. And velgrynd killing Cornu along his main body in another Space-Time continuum.
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Yea, being outside the universe atleast grants immo 9

But reaching the main body with a skill is just range and not negation.

It's pretty much the same with WN space time continous strike just being range instead of immo 9 neg
 
Right found it ill Mark it off. Any thoughts on acausality negation type 3
AzuRizzz said:
Yea, being outside the universe atleast grants immo 9

But reaching the main body with a skill is just range and not negation.

It's pretty much the same with WN space time continous strike just being range instead of immo 9 neg
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Shiraito983 said:
Some upgrades from vol 16. Ill make it clear and simple

  • For Ap without feats in TD key. I used Benimaru Ap as a base. Benimaru being stronger than awaken Demon lord rimuru when he become td = comparable to single digit = single digit being state to be comparable to Awaken demon lords = Continent+ level

Rimuru​

Immortality Negation (type 9), and possibly Acausality Negation (type 3; Analyse and copied velgrynd space time continues attack, rimuru could kill anyone no matter how far are they across space and time, Ignoring parallel existence and can hit the main body of target. Can hit at any point of time)

Pocket Reality Manipulation and Greatly improved Sealing (via Complex Space/Imaginary space, a sub skill of Void God Azathoth, world of chaos is an upgrade version of rimuru stomach. Capable of locking a target inside and was able to to isolate and seal velgrynd from coming out, an ultimate existence and ultimate skill user. Also capable of using complex Space as defense)


Treyni​

Spatial manipulation, Invisibility and Durability Negation (can lunch a swarm of countless unseen and unavoidable blades that can shear through dimension)


Beretta​

True demon lord key

Ap: Continental+ Level (as awakened demon lords, should be comparable to single digits)

Speed: same as before

Holy manipulation, unholy manipulation, spatial manipulation, Information manipulation (type 2) and Durability Negation ( he was mixing a dark and holy elements to attack. And it was bypassing dino defensive as its contain spirit base attack)

Power modification (reverse dino attack to opposite attribute)

Resistance to Status Inducement (demon has resistance against status effects)

Sub skills
  • Madness manipulation -lords Ambition
  • Earth manipulation -mineral Domination, earth attribute Domination
  • Spatial manipulation -control space
  • Forcefield creation -multi layer barrier




Geld​

True demon lord key

Ap: Continental+ level (as a true demon lord, he should be comparable to a Single digits) | Continental+ level (exchange blows with avatar garasha, a primordial angel who boast energy that transcend an awaken demon lord, also state they are equivalent to gods after being named by Veldanava)

Durability: continental+ level (exchanged blows with garasha)

Empowerment, damage transferal and statistic amplification (via Grant Protection, he can provide a full layer of defense, and could use Iron Wall and Stand-in to take damage in place of his companions)


Sub skill
Madness manipulation (type 3) - lords Ambition
Regeneration (high) - ultra speed regeneration
Spatial manipulation - space control
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Does berreta have a profile
 
 
Shiraito983 said:
Holy manipulation, unholy manipulation, spatial manipulation, Information manipulation (type 2) and Durability Negation ( he was mixing a dark and holy elements to attack. And it was bypassing dino defensive as its contain spirit base attack)

Power modification (reverse dino attack to opposite attribute)
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Agree with holy manipulation , unholy ( if dark refer to unholy here) manipulation

Again how THATS IM 2 and Durability negation?

Shiraito983 said:
Geld
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Gled doesn't have a profile rn?
Shiraito983 said:
(demon has resistance against status effects)
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Plz attach the scan.
 
SR001 said:
Again how THATS IM 2 and Durability negation?
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Spiritual particle/ spiritons base attack can destroy Soul/skill and information particles. Information particle is fundamental aspect thats makes everything in tensura.

On durability negs. As dino said in scan it. cannot be depend because spiritron bypass space.
Spiritrons are the special particles that make up magicules, their motion is extremely hard to predict. The spiritrons can move through the barrier of space and time. The principle that governs these random phase changes—the law of natural motion in spiritron—if not decoded, even my ‘Absolute Defense’ would be penetrated. Vol 7
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SR001 said:
Gled doesn't have a profile rn?
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He does have

SR001 said:
Plz attach the scan.
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Its just its a little so i didn't bother adding scan
Beretta could come up with countermeasures because he was a demon, a creature with built-in resistance to status effects. Vol 16
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SR001 said:
How bypassing space give durability neg?
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It ignore any defensive Forcefield. Also destroy anything to conceptually. Its EE
  • Space-Time Manipulation - Characters who have the ability to manipulate space and time, can easily bypass physical durability of objects. Conventional durability does not matter, because the matter is secondary in relation to space and time. For example, it's as easy to distort a material object by distorting a portion of the space in which it is located. Or even send the object (or part of it) back or forward in time. The effect on the object will be the same, whether it's a sheet of titanium or a piece of cardboard)

SR001 said:
I didn't find, can u give me the link ?
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Geld
 
Shiraito983 said:
Space-Time Manipulation - Characters who have the ability to manipulate space and time, can easily bypass physical durability of objects. Conventional durability does not matter, because the matter is secondary in relation to space and time. For example, it's as easy to distort a material object by distorting a portion of the space in which it is located. Or even send the object (or part of it) back or forward in time. The effect on the object will be the same, whether it's a sheet of titanium or a piece of cardboard)
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Yeah it will give if done both space&time manipulation at the same time, not single space manipulation

Also put me on neutral on DURABILITY NEG.
 
SR001 said:
Wouldn't that be only SEALING ( TYPE 1 )
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Falls under type 2 rimuru have sealed Velgrynd power and people nucleus heart which exist only as information
And yah this shouldn't really go under improved since its only the size that got upgraded and not the efficiency cuz rimuru have been sealing all kinds of things from day 1
Shiraito983 said:
(via Complex Space/Imaginary space, a sub skill of Void God Azathoth, world of chaos is an upgrade version of rimuru stomach. Capable of locking a target inside and was able to to isolate and seal velgrynd from coming out, an ultimate existence and ultimate skill user. Also capable of using complex Space as defense)
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Shiraito983 said:

Rimuru​

Immortality Negation (type 9), and possibly Acausality Negation (type 3; Analyse and copied velgrynd space time continues attack, rimuru could kill anyone no matter how far are they across space and time, Ignoring parallel existence and can hit the main body of target. Can hit at any point of time)
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You can go for immortality type 8 negation tho nd wiki already confirmed that its possible to bypass immortality type 9 via range but why this isn't type 9 is because it have no feat for it, additionally couldn't even kill an immortality type 9 chara back in volume 19 as confirmed by diablo that her attack wont read Feldway since she needs a connection between the main body and the split body and track it and kill it there and then. But feldway doesn't have that
@AzuRizzz opinion is correct but judgment is wrong since immortality type 9 neg can also work as range confirmed by admins on a rimuru vs xeno goku thread
 
SR001 said:
Agree on Gled's one
Don't be mad but plz put scans too
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It doesn't really need scans since lords ambition is something the wiki accepts as type 3 mad manip
And others including emphatic?
Don't know about that but definitely accepted as that you can check the tensura series profile for more info since admins is aware of it he doesnt need to provide any scan he is just implying geld have the ability
 
Jordan911 said:
It doesn't really need scans since lords ambition is something the wiki accepts as type 3 mad manip
And others including emphatic?
Don't know about that but definitely accepted as that you can check the tensura series profile for more info since admins is aware of it he doesnt need to provide any scan he is just implying geld have the ability
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Ok ig then
 
Its already accepted on other profiles like rimuru.
Lords Ambition aka demon lord haki
Ultra speed regeneration gets High like orc lord geld and rimuru

On spatial manipulation context.
Control Dimensions: gain a grasp of time and space, allowing for instant transport with a single thought. Can even impact time. Vol 6 otl
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-Time and Space Manipulation…grasping time and space, and being able to move in an instant by just thinking about it consciously, even affecting time. Fan translation/Real name of abilities
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SR001 said:
Agree on Gled's one
Don't be mad but plz put scans too
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Shiraito983 said:
Its already accepted on other profiles like rimuru.
Lords Ambition aka demob lord haki
Ultra speed regeneration gets High like orc lord geld and rimuru

On spatial manipulation context. Its better version than rimuru space domination
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I am starting to think it's possible this can fall under dimensional travel
 
Shiraito983 said:
Immortality Negation (type 9), and possibly Acausality Negation (type 3; Analyse and copied velgrynd space time continues attack, rimuru could kill anyone no matter how far are they across space and time, Ignoring parallel existence and can hit the main body of target. Can hit at any point of time)
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Agree

Shiraito983 said:
Pocket Reality Manipulation and Greatly improved Sealing (type 2; via Complex Space/Imaginary space, a sub skill of Void God Azathoth, world of chaos is an upgrade version of rimuru stomach. Capable of locking a target inside and was able to to isolate and seal velgrynd from coming out, an ultimate existence and ultimate skill user. Also capable of using complex Space as defense)
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Agree
Shiraito983 said:

Treyni​

Spatial manipulation, Invisibility and Durability Negation (can lunch a swarm of countless unseen and unavoidable blades that can shear through dimension)
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Agree
Shiraito983 said:

Beretta​

True demon lord key

Ap: Continental+ Level (as awakened demon lords, should be comparable to single digits)

Speed: same as before.
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Shiraito983 said:
Holy manipulation, unholy manipulation, spatial manipulation, Information manipulation (type 2) and Durability Negation ( he was mixing a dark and holy elements to attack. And it was bypassing dino defensive as its contain spirit base attack)

Power modification (reverse dino attack to opposite attribute)

Resistance to Status Inducement (demon has resistance against status effects)
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Agree
Shiraito983 said:
Sub skills
  • Madness manipulation -lords Ambition
  • Earth manipulation -mineral Domination, earth attribute Domination
  • Spatial manipulation -control space
  • Forcefield creation -multi layer barrier
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Easily agree
Shiraito983 said:


Geld​

True demon lord key

Ap: Continental+ level (as a true demon lord, he should be comparable to a Single digits) | Continental+ level (exchange blows with avatar garasha, a primordial angel who boast energy that transcend an awaken demon lord, also state they are equivalent to gods after being named by Veldanava)

Durability: continental+ level (exchanged blows with garasha)

Empowerment, damage transferal and statistic amplification (via Grant Protection, he can provide a full layer of defense, and could use Iron Wall and Stand-in to take damage in place of his companions)


Sub skill
Madness manipulation (type 3) - lords Ambition
Regeneration (high) - ultra speed regeneration
Spatial manipulation - space control
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Agree
 
Its durability negation.
SR001 said:
Yeah it will give if done both space&time manipulation at the same time, not single space manipulation

Also put me on neutral on DURABILITY NEG.
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It was harming souls to the very abstract existence. Rimuru got his Durability negation due to rot thats harm soul.
 
SR001 said:
It's not like in this case tho
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Context
As befitting his membership in the black tribe, Beretta had top-tier fighting skills—enough to take on Deeno, even. Beretta would die instantly if he took a hit, but he still had the courage to calmly handle Deeno’s strikes.
Not only had Beretta not given up on winning, he even seemed to enjoy this, in a way. Whenever Deeno deliberately let his guard down a bit, Beretta didn’t react at all. That was praiseworthy, but the fact that Beretta landed a cut or two on him with his occasional counterattacks was a major surprise. As a “fallen,” he was weak against the holy element, but that wasn’t a fatal flaw to him. And yet Beretta’s attacks were dealing actual damage. He was mixing the dark and holy elements with each other, transforming his attacks to where Deeno’s defensive barrier couldn’t block them fully. They were, Deeno realized, impossible to defend. Much like spirit-based attacks, they would always deal damage unless one could repel them spiritually
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Durability negation type
-soul manipulation
-information manipulation
-spatial manipulation
-matter manipulation

Skill even disappear after being hit by spirit base attack. Which is lump of information let alone soul.
 
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Jordan911 said:
Falls under type 2 rimuru have sealed Velgrynd power and people nucleus heart which exist only as information
And yah this shouldn't really go under improved since its only the size that got upgraded and not the efficiency cuz rimuru have been sealing all kinds of things from day 1
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Do you have the scan for this?
 
Everything seems fine

Unsure about Acausality (Type 3) negation, so I'm neutral on that.

Sealing should be Greatly Enhanced as it said to be the superpowered version of Stomach.

Capable of locking a target inside and was able to to isolate and seal velgrynd from coming out, an ultimate existence and ultimate skill user. Also capable of using complex Space as defense)
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This are Beelzebuth's stomach feat, so you should probably place it on Pre-Ultimate Slime Rimuru's sealing justification.



SR001 said:
I do not see durability negation in this
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cutting through space automatically ignores your durability, you cannot tank a spatial cut with simply durability alone.
 
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