Tekken: Upscale Session

[KingTempest]

Yes I know I don't usually touch this side of the wiki, but I be bored too.

I intend on upscaling the Jack-8s from the Jack-6's calculation linked to Jack's page.
Jack-8 was noted to have significantly increased firepower from even Jack-7, much less Jack-6.

She also sought to significantly increase Jack's firepower with heavy-duty special armaments and an electromagnetic pulse weapon known as the Gamma System.

Upscaling from 901.36 MT to 1 GT, a 1.109x increase shouldn't be too big.

Supporting feats for High tier upscaling are
1. Heihachi and Akuma washing a bunch of Jack-6s and one shotting some of em, meaning they upscale as well.
2. Eddy taking part of the self destructions of 4 Jack-7s, meaning he upscales.

Now, I'm sorry, but them profiles are mad confusing. Some don't exist. Some have confusing scaling chains. All I know is that they scale off of Jack-6 right now, so I might need a little help with scaling chains, but it shouldn't be too much since the change in 1 means the change in all who scale.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

As it concerns just from Mid Tiers to Top Tiers and will take time going to each one and their scaling imma go over the existing characters affected

Mid tiers

-Jinpachi (except last key)

-Marshall Law

-Lei Wulong

-Jack 5

-Jack 6

-Anna (except for T8 self)

-Nina (except for T8 self)

-Alisa (except for T8 self)


Alisa fights a Jack 6 and kills it in battle, Nina fights Alisa and wins the first time, then Alisa gets Nina to her knees the second time they fight, Anna is Nina rival since the very first game and had plenty of fights, this is one of them

Jack 5 is capable to defeat and kill Jinpachi in battle, both Lei can beat Jinpachi as well, Lei and Marshall Law are comparable to each other, their battle even ends up in a tie


High Tiers

-Lee

-Feng

-Raven and Master Raven

-Victor

-Dragunov

-Eliza

-Jack 8

-Jack 7

-Nina

-Anna

-Alisa

-Paul

-Ogre (except Monstruous key)

-Bryan

-Yoshimitsu

-Kazumi/Devil Kazumi

-Kuma 1 and 2

-Panda

-Asuka

-Lili

-Josie


Lee beats Alisa, pointing out he would rather not fight her, as he manages to block her charging attack, Alisa is basically bloodlusted in this instance, so he didnt go all out on her yet still won, in his special intro with Lars he matches him in a clash of kick vs punch, which going by Lars words would be when Lee goes all out

Nina in Tekken 8 got stronger then before, she manages to harm Lee and is even with Eddy Gordo, whom as you have above yourself can tank 4 Jack7s self destructing and even earlier on, fights Jack 7s individually, she manages to fight more or less evenly with Reina, even pointing out Nina is pretty tough and Reina scales to the Mishimas, an example being matching Heihachi in their special intro, Anna in this game also got stronger, matching Nina in a clash of their special intro

Alisa also grew stronger in this game, against Jack 8 she does relatively decent, while Jack 8 has the edge more, he was made so powerful that two other high tiers together were required to put him down, in his ending he even beaten other high tiers, like Lee which i talked about earlier, so its a matter of facing a more powerful model of the Jack series, Alisa also beats Lars in a fight, most likely didnt take her on with all he has, but given he is clearly defeated here still speaks volumes to her power

Eliza defeats Claudio, somebody that ties in a clash with Azazel hand, as well as beating him in his ending, Josie fights against Kuma 2, in his ending he wins, but he still points out, she is a tough opponent, worthy to get her on his team, Kuma 2 can defeat and give Paul a tough time in battles, to Current Paul that is, Paul is his prime is powerful enough to one shot Kuma 2 and fight Kazuya to a draw, so whatever Current Paul does, Prime upscales from that, also Current Paul is shown being able to defeat a Jack 7, King struggles a bit with a Jack 7, King is comparable to Paul and Jin and coming back to Kuma, the first one, he is considered a sparring partner for Heihachi and trains a lot with him

Bryan scales from Paul, they got two instances being depicted evenly matched, Feng casually with one hand makes a fool out of Asuka, he also scales to Leroy, somebody who fought and did well against Jin, Yoshimitsu matches Bryan in a sword vs minigun clash, he also stopped Bryan in the previous tournament from wrecking havoc, here is a cutscene too of that

Panda is comparable to Kuma and Paul, Kazumi does well against a young Heihachi and in devil form later on by the end, she makes him catch his breath a little bit, takes a punch from him, a few moments later she gets back up again, this Heihachi is on the level of those like Feng, Ogre is comparable to Jin, his True Ogre form is powerful enough to harm and take many blows from a Jin amped by the devil gene (red glowing eyes)

Raven faced off against Heihachi till he was ordered to leave and can beat Jack 7s, Dragunov is comparable to Raven, Master Raven can beat Dragunov and as you see she calls in question how he was giving Raven trouble and also calls him an imbecile needing more training, Victor beats Dragunov and they have a rivalry too given the old man dialogue towards him, he is also shown comparable to Raven

As for Top Tiers, its Akuma, Heihachi, Kazuya, Jin, Lars, Monstruous Ogre via this against Jin and Azazel via this against Lars, the others their scaling in the profile is pretty clear cut on scaling, if you want me to give evidence on those, will do next time i get on laptop tomorrow


There is a whole lot more, but it will take too long, most are gonna get tackled in a verse wide revision down the line, its a very lenghty one, but yeah thats the scaling to have an idea on each of them, the one shotting of Jack 6s and the 4 Jack 7s self destructing being tanked by a high tier provided by you along what i wrote here should help yah figure out easier and get an idea where each of them are sitting in terms of scaling

 

[TurtleGod55]

Looks good to me

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Just a Random Butler]

Seems fine.

 

[KingTempest]

Seems more than enough

@BlackDarkness679 do we need to change justifications or just change values and specify who scales to Jack-8 and such?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Seems more than enough

@BlackDarkness679 do we need to change justifications or just change values and specify who scales to Jack-8 and such?

Well you pointed the gap between 901.36 MT to 1 GT is just a x1.1 difference, High Tiers and Top Tiers can one shot even Jack 6s, let alone Jack 7s as pointed in my evidence above

Not to mention can scale to a Jack 8 to a degree too as again provided, so high tiers and top tiers get upscaling, the Jack 7 instance with Eddy would provide a x4 buff too, cuz he tanked that many of them self destructing and survived it no problem

The justifications can be changed up to the stuff brought up here, till they get more of it later, given you said its not clear enough in the profiles for an outsider

 

[KingTempest]

Well you pointed the gap between 901.36 MT to 1 GT is just a x1.1 difference, High Tiers and Top Tiers can one shot even Jack 6s, let alone Jack 7s as pointed in my evidence above

Not to mention can scale to a Jack 8 to a degree too as again provided, so high tiers and top tiers get upscaling, the Jack 7 instance with Eddy would provide a x4 buff too, cuz he tanked that many of them self destructing and survived it no problem

Ehhh it has perfectly fine upscaling value but scaling him to 4x would be fallacious since it's not like their explosions "merged". The wiki has weird but strict rules on combined attacks of that nature. 2 bombs next to each other don't have a combined yield, much less 4. Also, he was mad far away as well, so he doesn't have the greatest method of scaling.

I'll have to remove that from the OP cause after looking at it he was way too far to scale in good faith.

The justifications can be changed up to the stuff brought up here, till they get more of it later, given you said its not clear enough in the profiles for an outsider

Understood

So after looking back at your message, a lot of them just upscale the previous Jacks. Alisa showcases inferiority but not major to where she doesn't scale, but it's better off not scaling her to the upscaled version and just scaling her and the other mid tiers comfortably relative to the previous Jacks but not to the upscaled one, especially when it takes multiple to just stun em. A bunch of 900s can beat a 1000, like shown.

Heihachi and Akuma one shot a bunch so I think that's the best method. Scaling the top tiers to the upscaled value but the others can sit right below it, or above the Jack 6s.

I just noticed that Jin beat Golden Azazel as well. Golden Azazel should upscale, and Jin should scale to that.

Due to fighting Kazuya and holding his own, Paul should scale above the Jack 6s who were getting one shot by Heihachi and Akuma. Ogre can scale to that, then True and Monstrous Ogre could upscale.

After spending some days looking at the scaling, the top tiers can upscale. The high tiers shouldn't upscale.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Ehhh it has perfectly fine upscaling value but scaling him to 4x would be fallacious since it's not like their explosions "merged". The wiki has weird but strict rules on combined attacks of that nature. 2 bombs next to each other don't have a combined yield, much less 4. Also, he was mad far away as well, so he doesn't have the greatest method of scaling.

I'll have to remove that from the OP cause after looking at it he was way too far to scale in good faith.

It killed the other 4 in the explosion at the same time and he survived it unlike them though, like he literally went to kick one of them and blew up pretty close to him, else he wouldnt be in the middle of the fire which he blows off later

Understood

So after looking back at your message, a lot of them just upscale the previous Jacks. Alisa showcases inferiority but not major to where she doesn't scale, but it's better off not scaling her to the upscaled version and just scaling her and the other mid tiers comfortably relative to the previous Jacks but not to the upscaled one, especially when it takes multiple to just stun em. A bunch of 900s can beat a 1000, like shown.

Alisa in previous games before the recent one was scaling to only Jack 6, in T8 i pointed how a Jack 8 requires two high tiers to put him down, Asuka and Lili are that level, they aint mid tiers, Jack 8 is more stronger then high tiers individually, given Lee is one who loses to him in the ending presented

Long story short most of the high tiers scale from a Jack 7 in general

Heihachi and Akuma one shot a bunch so I think that's the best method. Scaling the top tiers to the upscaled value but the others can sit right below it, or above the Jack 6s.

High tiers are comparable to a Jack 7, others even shown some degree of scaling to Mishimas and others on these levels

I just noticed that Jin beat Golden Azazel as well. Golden Azazel should upscale, and Jin should scale to that.

Jin beaten Golden Azazel with an amp of the devil power, would still scale in base form to regular Azazel though given Lars did and he is comparable to him and Kazuya

Due to fighting Kazuya and holding his own, Paul should scale above the Jack 6s who were getting one shot by Heihachi and Akuma. Ogre can scale to that, then True and Monstrous Ogre could upscale.

Although as i stated, latter scales as a top tier given its stated Jin used his all to beat that form, True Ogre was above base Jin back in the day, but nowadays not the case

After spending some days looking at the scaling, the top tiers can upscale. The high tiers shouldn't upscale.

Why though? They scale above mid tiers, Jack 6 included too