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^Completely missed the point.
What was your point than?
What was your point than?
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Tatsumaki vs Mewtwo
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^No SMD Mewtwo. That's the only Mewtwo who's dwarf star level. Your other point for his speed being higher is fine.
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When did this ever happen? When did Mewtwo ever use this? So many questions right now...Aparajita said:
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I think he's talking about this : http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gravity_(move)
Anyway I don't know about the feat he talked about
Anyway I don't know about the feat he talked about
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Wait, which Mewtwo is Large Planet Level (I believe it was)? That Mewtwo also stomps.
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No it was Small Planet sorry. Well that's another Mewtwo that stomps
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Round 1 he's too slow to matter, round two, however, he wins easily. With Speed Equalized, Mewtwo wins both rounds easily.
Gravity also making flying pokemon (or levitating ones, etc), from flying.
Mewtwo can use Power Swap to swap his AP with hers if he chooses to do so. In round two (or SE) he's fast enough to easily land this if he needed to.
In the first round, Mewtwo can also use Trick Room to make himself faster than Tat.
Via intelligence and versatility, i give it to Mewtwo.
Gravity also making flying pokemon (or levitating ones, etc), from flying.
Mewtwo can use Power Swap to swap his AP with hers if he chooses to do so. In round two (or SE) he's fast enough to easily land this if he needed to.
In the first round, Mewtwo can also use Trick Room to make himself faster than Tat.
Via intelligence and versatility, i give it to Mewtwo.
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Okay, so this is a misinterpretation of Power Swap. Power Swap does not switch your attack/special attack stat with your opponent's. It switches the boosts you have attained through moves like Calm Mind and Swords Dance. Since we aren't talking about, say, Goku, this doesn't matter.Aparajita said:
Trick Room is one of the highest negative priority moves. You sacrifice one turn to be able to use trick room in game, so it is basically opening himself up to an attack by Tatsumi. Furthermore, it's a psychic type move. What's to say Tatsumaki doesn't just reverse it? She's done similar things before.
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Okay, so this is a misinterpretation of Power Swap. Power Swap does not switch your attack/special attack stat with your opponent's. It switches the boosts you have attained through moves like Calm Mind and Swords Dance. Since we aren't talking about, say, Goku, this doesn't matter.
Trick Room is one of the highest negative priority moves. You sacrifice one turn to be able to use trick room in game, so it is basically opening himself up to an attack by Tatsumi. Furthermore, it's a psychic type move. What's to say Tatsumaki doesn't just reverse it? She's done similar things before.
Trick Room is one of the highest negative priority moves. You sacrifice one turn to be able to use trick room in game, so it is basically opening himself up to an attack by Tatsumi. Furthermore, it's a psychic type move. What's to say Tatsumaki doesn't just reverse it? She's done similar things before.
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I get the feeling everything I typed after I quoted that just went to waste, I don't see it there ^^^^^^
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Ok, I'm going to explain why Mewtwo wins, even if he isn't PMD Mewtwo. Mewtwo is Small Planet Level in Attack Power and Durability, Tatsumaki is only Large Island Level in Attack Power and Durability. Mewtwo is Mach 12404 in Speed, Tatsumaki is only Mach 3638 in Speed. Mewtwo even has Higher Stamina. Mewtwo is Superior in every way! Mewtwo wins by Landslide.
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Ok then. Lemme read it.
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I scrolled up and looked and I didn't use Shadow or MD Mewtwo, I used Anime Mewtwo
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The way I see both rounds of the fight going is Mewtwo uses Trick Room to switch there speed, then uses Toxic, if we're allowing TMs to be used, then alternate between using protect and recover while he waits for toxic to kill her off.
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Shadow Mewtwo is the one who's small planet level. Mega Mewtwo is At Least Island.
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Ok Alakabamm, so no Anime Mewtwo, hmm, I thought the Planet One was Anime Mewtwo. Well I'm wrong. But The Island Level Mewtwo we are using still wins because while it's inferior Attack Potency and Durability, it's superior in every thing else. Mewtwo Blitzes in both rounds.
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No. Dusknoir performed it in the anime and the slower opponent did indeed go first. (It received a massive speed boost).Aparajita said:
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So, we agree Mewtwo Speed Blitzes both rounds or is there still disagreement?
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Mewtwo's best recorded feat outside of Shadow Mewtwo/Mystery Dungeon is High Hypersonic, which is something like 800x less than Tatsumaki's best feat.Pokémon Trainer Jacob said:
Even if we go by manga sources, Tatsumaki is still faster because she can keep up with Golden Sperm (WoG), who is capable of blitzing atomic samurai (who is high hypersonic minimum).
Also, if we are suddenly going by Anime rules, that's fine for me....but the largest Trick Room ever shown in the anime is building size. Tatsumaki can easily leave the trick room within a split second.
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The Deoxys you are referring to is scaled to Mega Rayquaza, who is scaled to Primal Groudon, who has game feats. Hence, you are talking about game Deoxys. You can't scale a manga battle off of game feats. The page on Pokemon on this wiki says as much as well.
Hence, no, Mewtwo is not sub-rel. It is also not Moon level.
Hence, no, Mewtwo is not sub-rel. It is also not Moon level.
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Pretty sure it was Zinnia's statement that confirmed Multiverse, not Hoopa.Alakabamm said:
I'm not implying that it would change the power scaling of different universes, I'm simply questioning whether or not a creature that is in two seperate universes should be roughly the same to each other since there is not defined difference between the two.
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Mewtwo.
But it seems iconic enough to be put on her page. (She has NONE)
Even if it is a spite, i would love to see it in her profile.
We still have Sol vs Ragna around, right?
But it seems iconic enough to be put on her page. (She has NONE)
Even if it is a spite, i would love to see it in her profile.
We still have Sol vs Ragna around, right?
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The problem is that the manga is the closest canon to the actual games, because it has the same protagonists in it.Alakabamm said:
The only time power-scaling should be considered an outlier is when it's Average Pokemon to Legendaries/Average Legendaries to Creation Trio and Arceus.
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"The only time power-scaling should be considered an outlier is when it's Average Pokemon to Legendaries/Average Legendaries to Creation Trio and Arceus." Well then start a thread in the content revision section because that is not the rule of this wiki. Even battles between legendaries are fiercely out of order, especially considering the new Hoopa movie.
The manga does NOT have the same protagonists in it. That's a misconception. The manga is the anime version of the game if Satoshi had gotten his way. There are many things different in it and it also seems to scale time differently than what is seen between games.
The manga does NOT have the same protagonists in it. That's a misconception. The manga is the anime version of the game if Satoshi had gotten his way. There are many things different in it and it also seems to scale time differently than what is seen between games.
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I just read this guy say Mewtwo is SLOWER than Tatsumaki?! Ummm No. Mewtwo is Mach 12404 and Tatsumaki is Mach 3638. Mewtwo speed Blitzes.
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You know what, I'm not even. I'm not even gonna continue. Debating with you is pointless. I'm not even. Nope. I'm done. Somebody else please debate with him.
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