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Tales of Verse Pages

Rewatched Berseria ending.

There something feat and statement.

- Velvet can damage Base Artorious and match Artorious Innominat.

- Velvet sealed Innominat , which imperess other eympherian.

- Artorious praise Velvet.

- According to eympherian Phi is strong enough to become their leader because he part of innominat and don't lack any strength.

Zestiria feat.

1- According to Edna there some seraphs out there who can move the continent as can be seen here: https://imgur.com/a/t339c

2-empyrean are the seraphs who keep the balance across all of the Continent and the source of all the Artes the seraphs can use across the land as can be seen here: https://imgur.com/a/SFrAP

3-Matouls domain and power can cover The entire Continent and he is too powerful being he use the earth itself as his vessel as seen here: https://imgur.com/a/fgXTw

for reference, this is an image of Glenwood Continent: http://www.supersoluce.com/sites/de...les-of-zestiria-soluce-carte-du-monde-001.jpg

4-When the empyreans awake and go to slumber the shape of the world itself change as can be seen here: https://imgur.com/a/PGgxG
 
The profiles are already 5-B and the feats/statements you mentioned are already applied to them, Velvet sealing Innominat is more from them constantly devouring each other, which warrants them both having Soul and Absorption resistance, I just haven't gotten around to dealing with that yet.
 
The Divine Phoenix said:
The profiles are already 5-B and the feats/statements you mentioned are already applied to them, Velvet sealing Innominat is more from them constantly devouring each other, which warrants them both having Soul and Absorption resistance, I just haven't gotten around to dealing with that yet.
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Yeah i can see it.

Also another eympherian like Hyanoa ( Oscar ) , Musiphe ( Shigure ) , Eumacia ( Melchior ) and Amenoch ( Teresa ) should be around 6A because they strongest seraphim.
 
The Empyreans don't have enough info to have profiles, at most I could make them keys for the respective exorcists, as they don't even physically appear in the game and act more as a plot device than characters, they would most likely be High 6-A.
 
The Divine Phoenix said:
The Empyreans don't have enough info to have profiles, at most I could make them keys for the respective exorcists, as they don't even physically appear in the game and act more as a plot device than characters, they would most likely be High 6-A.
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No.

They should be around Continent level because they can move continent . That why i put them on 6A level.
 
Honestly, they might downscale from Innominat and end up being Low 5-B or something due to it taking four of them to overpower Innominat.
 
Despite four of eympherian working together Innominat still pushed them and can kill them.

Also when Phi being Maotelus for first time he already can use planet as his vessel without anyone worshipers him . That mean someone like near complate Innominat ( lack of despair ) already can match him because he can push four of eympherian.
 
It is true that Innominat would have overwhelmed them with time.

Maybe something like "At least 6-A, possibly/likely Low 5-B" would work?
 
If I were to make keys for them, the justification would look something like this:

At least Continent level (Powerful Seraphim are stated to be capable of moving continents, The Four Empyreans are the most powerful Seraphim, only surpassed by Innominat), likely Small Planet level (The power of The Four Empyreans combined was enough to restrict and push back Innominat, though he would have overwhelmed them with time)
 
The Divine Phoenix said:
It is true that Innominat would have overwhelmed them with time.
Maybe something like "At least 6-A, possibly/likely Low 5-B" would work?
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6A ( scaled to other seraphim , who can move continent ) - 5B ( Maotelus can use Planet as his vassal )

For 6A - 5B Innominat ( lack of despair ) , Artorious , Velvet and her party .
 
You misunderstand, the "At least 6-A, possibly/likely Low 5-B" was for the Four Empyreans.

I don't believe any changes are neccesary for anyone else, Innominat was stated to be using the planet as his vessel even without despair, so he's solidly 5-B even then, Base Artorius scales to that, Velvet and the Party scales to Armatized Artorius who is far stronger than Base Artorius.
 
Anyways, I'll be going now, if you want to continue this discussion later on, we can do so on my wall. I believe the main cast tiers are fine as is, the only ones that need to be discussed are potential tiers for the other Empyreans.
 
The Divine Phoenix said:
You misunderstand, the "At least 6-A, possibly/likely Low 5-B" was for the Four Empyreans.
I don't believe any changes are neccesary for anyone else, Innominat was stated to be using the planet as his vessel even without despair, so he's solidly 5-B even then, Base Artorius scales to that, Velvet and the Party scales to Armatized Artorius who is far stronger than Base Artorius.
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Oh sorry.

On my opinion about four eympherian rating

6A for invidual Eympherian.

Possibly 5B Four Eympherian via working together because their combination can take down Innominat.

Was this is good enough ?
 
Maotelus allowed himself to become a hellion because he wanted to better understand humans. This doesn't imply he was holding back though, just that he probably could've stopped it from happening.
 
Saint rider 890 said:
https://youtu.be/eC-HOfasd2M
Saw Video about Xillia 2.

In order to destroy dimension Ludger should be destroy Catalyst .

So there no 3A feat for xillia cast.
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Wouldn't there be power scaling at least since Kronos is the one that creates the alternate universes in Xillia 2, and Kronos is defeated by the Xillia cast?
 
Mk22Solid3 said:
Saint rider 890 said:
https://youtu.be/eC-HOfasd2MSaw Video about Xillia 2.
In order to destroy dimension Ludger should be destroy Catalyst .

So there no 3A feat for xillia cast.
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Wouldn't there be power scaling at least since Kronos is the one that creates the alternate universes in Xillia 2, and Kronos is defeated by the Xillia cast?
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Chronos doesn't actually create the dimensional catalysts, the power of the chromatus does, which is more like a chain reaction in both creation and destruction. So I am 60% certain no one gets the dimensional destroying DC.

In story fracture dimensions are created from the divergence catalysts from Kresniks who abuse Chromatus. so when the catalysts are created they form the entire world of that dimension.

https://lparchive.org/Tales-of-Xillia-2/Update 26/
 
Saint rider 890 said:
Mk22Solid3 said:
Saint rider 890 said:
https://youtu.be/eC-HOfasd2MSaw Video about Xillia 2.
In order to destroy dimension Ludger should be destroy Catalyst .

So there no 3A feat for xillia cast.
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Wouldn't there be power scaling at least since Kronos is the one that creates the alternate universes in Xillia 2, and Kronos is defeated by the Xillia cast?
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Chronos doesn't actually create the dimensional catalysts, the power of the chromatus does, which is more like a chain reaction in both creation and destruction. So I am 60% certain no one gets the dimensional destroying DC.
In story fracture dimensions are created from the divergence catalysts from Kresniks who abuse Chromatus. so when the catalysts are created they form the entire world of that dimension.

https://lparchive.org/Tales-of-Xillia-2/Update 26/
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Kronos gave the power of the Chromatus to the Kresniks in the first place, according to Tales of Translations. https://taleslations.tumblr.com/post/97258475191/xillia-2s-world-mechanics

"To aid them in their task, Chronos grants the Kresnik clan the power of Chromatus Transformation, and Origin grants one person with the power of the Key of Kresnik."

"Additionally, the power granted by Chronos, the Chromatus, comes with a catch: if its power is used too many times, the bearer will transform into a catalyst a create a fractured dimension"

Basically, if Kronos created the Chromatus powers, and the Chromatus can create and destroy catalysts, Kronos is capable of similar abilities as the Chromatus. And the party can defeat Kronos, that can be a 3-A feat no?

PS: If a page is made for Origin. Origin should be at least 2-C for being able to destroy 1 million dimensions right?
 
1 million dimensions, if dimensions = universes, is 2-B. Can't say anything on any of the other parts as I've not played Xillia.
 
Saint rider 890 said:
https://youtu.be/b4HeLVtVVpETales of rays.
On 38.08

Mithos >>> Ludger , Milla , Llyold and Julius .
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Very interesting, however you still do not aknowledge the feat of the party defeating Kronos who gave the Kresniks the power to destroy dimensions in the first place. I think of that feat as the law of conversation of energy in a way. If the power of the Chromatus can destroy dimensions, and Kronos gave the power of the Chromatus to the Kresniks, the energy required to destroy dimensions must have originally come from Kronos himself. Even if they can't outright destroy the dimension without destroying the catalyst, the energy destroying the universe must have been part of Kronos power originally before he gave that power away. Therefore, defeating Kronos is still quite an impressive feat.

Another feat that is important for Muzet and Millia is this sentence. Milla says that she and Muzet can dispel Kronos power if they gave it their all, but they would be highly drained. It is at 1:59 in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu1fecJg3rg .

Also Milla mentions earlier that Kronos is the most primal and most powerful of the Great Spirits. Origin is the most powerful great Spirit in the story and has a 2-B feat as mentioned by Divine Phoenix, but I assume by Milla's statement that Kronos is around the same power level as Origin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQxCPTow-A The line starts at 1:06.

Also Rowen is shocked by Milla's statement saying "He commands a power more primal than the elements that compose our universe?" This shows that Maxwell while the weakest of Primordial Sprits in this game, still has a strong control over the matter that composes the universe, and also created Muzet who has the ability to create black holes in her mystic arte (seen here) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AneZjZt6VtM and teleport instantly between Rieze Maxia and Elympios and was stated to have some control over space time in the first game

Muzet ability to create black holes is not only shown in gameplay, but in cutscenes from the first game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nj1hVXnL5I - at 1:01 she creates a black hole to destroy battleships.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In3uJEjsdgE , in this cutscene, the gravity is so strong the entire party is barely able to move. At 2:23, it is revealed this was caused by Muzet.

The gravity mystic arte theme is continued in the second game with Ludger and Muzet's linked mystic arte: Malign Gravity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V40iMJzMlCw

Anyway at 41:45 in your video, Mithos said the Chromatus can't work because their abilities to warp time nultify each other. So just because Mithos is only 5-B and can defeat Ludger, it may just be because he has a power that is able to stop Ludger's. I see it as the Human Torch possibly defeating Martian Manhunter becasue Martian Manhunter's weakness is fire. Martian Manhunter is still more powerful than the Human Torch, but it would just be a bad match up.

Plus I'd admit I've played none of the Crossover games, but I would assume they nerf some of the stronger characters like Ludger in order to present an interesting story, instead of some of the more powerful characers in the series destroying the other Tales Game Villians. Also Tales of Xillia 2 is canon material for its universe, and the crossover games would be considered non canon. So even if the Mithos feat is a legitimate feat showing he is better than the Xillia party, the canon material of the Party defeating Kronos is more important than non canon crossover material when choosing between the two. Canon>Non-Canon.
 
Well, I just finished Xillia and I am rather certain that the main cast, Gaius and Maxwell are all 4-A at the very least.
 
feat ?

I'll find the scans once I or someone else makes the profiles, but the idea of it is that the Temporal Crossroads are a realm with multiple stars and nebulae in it. A weakened Maxwell was going to destroy the Crossroads and only stopped because the main cast beat Gaius and Muzet, additionally, it was stated that Maxwell's existence sustains the Crossroads and that if he were to die, the Crossroads would disappear, the main cast fights a non-weakened, fully serious Maxwell and defeats him. The Main Cast, Wingul, Gaius and Muzet should scale to Maxwell.
 
The Divine Phoenix said:
feat ?
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I'll find the scans once I or someone else makes the profiles, but the idea of it is that the Temporal Crossroads are a realm with multiple stars and nebulae in it. A weakened Maxwell was going to destroy the Crossroads and only stopped because the main cast beat Gaius and Muzet, additionally, it was stated that Maxwell's existence sustains the Crossroads and that if he were to die, the Crossroads would disappear, the main cast fights a non-weakened, fully serious Maxwell and defeats him. The Main Cast, Wingul, Gaius and Muzet should scale to Maxwell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnFmWnVVNpI Around 24 mins, maxwell states dispelling the schism will "disperse this energy into the world" which I assume means the Temporal crossroads.. I'm rusty on the Xillia games, so I can't find the exact content. I do know it's stated that Exodus wishes to kill Milla to dispel the schism for the entire story.

As for the temporal crosswords, there are clearly stars in the sky in the final anime cutscene of the game, however I don't know how a feat can be calculated for that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27KY5umKfIs, it can also be seen in the overall final dungeon, but here is the temporal crosswords in an animated cutscene

Also btw, I think this may be a useless feat, but for curiousity, I wonder how powerful the feat of Jiao's max power at death is here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trFSHBhTbR8 , it starts at 1:38.
 
Here at 6:30:35 is the most important statement, Maxwell says he'll annihilate the Crossroads after he severs its link to the outside world, mind you, he does this while still being restrained by the Lance of Kresnik. Additionally, there is a statement that if Maxwell dies, the Crossroads will disappear, however finding this may prove difficult because it is, I believe, an out of battle conversation that isn't a skit.
 
That's not the thing I was looking for. The statement I was talking about wasn't related to the schism, but to the Temporal Crossroads, it went something like "Maxwell is the cause of the spirit clime that allows the Temporal Crossroads to exist, if he were to die, the Crossroads would disappear" or something along those lines.
 
Yeah, that may take a while to find. I do know, the sequel mentions that when traveling to the temporal crosswords alternate dimensions, the dimension traveler is having a bug, because the temporal crosswords no longer exists in this world. Starts at 2:05, and ends at 2:33. If you just want the last line, you can just go to 2:30. Sadly, I don't have anything that says that Maxwell dying ends the Crosswords. Only that its gone by the time of the second game.
 
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