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Taichi Kamiya's Agumon vs Masaru Daimon's Agumon
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The dramon killers work specifically against Dragon attribute Digimon, the thing with BlackWarGreymon could easily be an outlier, or due to blackwar having the exact same power as regular greymon, The dramon attribute counts even towards digimon that dont have dramon in their name, such as Dracomon, all Greymon are considered part of the Dragon attribute, therefore the Dramonkillers take effect here, and considering ShineGreymon BM's main combat is close range, its gonna be a swift and brutal deathMissy0124 said:
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Draconmon counts as a dramon type digimon due to it being the progenitor of all dramon type digimon as stated here on the official website.
https://digimon.net/reference/detail.php?directory_name=dracomo
https://wikimon.net/Dracomo
The greymon series however originates from ancientgreymon so no the greymon series is not related to the dramon series btw like i've mentioned prior the dramon killer gauntlets only work on dramon type digimon hence the name and like i've mentioned it work of worked on blackwargreymon if you were correct
https://digimon.net/reference/detail.php?directory_name=ancientgreymo
https://wikimon.net/Ancient_Greymo
Draconmon counts as a dramon type digimon due to it being the progenitor of all dramon type digimon as stated here on the official website.
https://digimon.net/reference/detail.php?directory_name=dracomo
https://wikimon.net/Dracomo
The greymon series however originates from ancientgreymon so no the greymon series is not related to the dramon series btw like i've mentioned prior the dramon killer gauntlets only work on dramon type digimon hence the name and like i've mentioned it work of worked on blackwargreymon if you were correct
https://digimon.net/reference/detail.php?directory_name=ancientgreymo
https://wikimon.net/Ancient_Greymo
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Ancient Greymon's abilities were later passed on to the "Dragon Digimon" of the Greymon-species.Missy0124 said:
Directly in its reference book page.
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It obviously was implying that the abilities of ancientgreymon were pasted on throughout the various generations btw despite being made of data it's implied digimon can reproduce probably not in a biological way saying as their non organic entities nonetheless the ancestor of the greymon series is clearly different than one established to exist for the dramon line so it's impossible for them to be one and the same also if greymon type digimon are of the dramon line than provide evidence as to why the dramon killers would not work on blackwargreymon
It obviously was implying that the abilities of ancientgreymon were pasted on throughout the various generations btw despite being made of data it's implied digimon can reproduce probably not in a biological way saying as their non organic entities nonetheless the ancestor of the greymon series is clearly different than one established to exist for the dramon line so it's impossible for them to be one and the same also if greymon type digimon are of the dramon line than provide evidence as to why the dramon killers would not work on blackwargreymon
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Dramon Killers effect Dragon Digimon. The Greymon line are Dragon Digimon. Dramon doesn't refer to just Digimon with "Dramon" suffix Digimon, but Dragon Digimon as a whole. This is even mentioned officially that Greymon species Digimon are harmed by Dramon Killers.
| The strongest dragon warrior whose body is clad in armor of the super-metal "Chrome Digizoid", it is the ultimate form of Greymon-species Digimon. Though it differs from the gigantic figure seen in Greymon-species Digimon, and has the form of a Man-type, it has rapidly improved its speed and power, and it is likely impossible to defeat it with the attacks of a Perfect Digimon. The "Dramon Killers" equipped to both of its arms exhibit immense power against Dramon-type Digimon, while simultaneously being double-edged swords that put its own life at great risk. Also, when the shells equipped on its back unite into one, they become the "Brave Shield", which is a shield of the strongest toughness. It is said that the moment that a true hero among veteran warriors awakens to its own mission, it evolves into War Greymo | ||
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again if the dramon killers worked on other digimon types then blackwargreymon would of been affected and it's literally impossible for dramon and greymon type digimon to be the same because they both possess different progenitors dracomon for the dramon line and ancientgreymon for the greymon line.
ancient greymon passed it's abilities onto the greymon species while dracomon passed his abilities onto dramon type digimon again these factoids alone make it impossible for what your saying to be true btw this is also backed up because wargreymon's dramon killer gauntlets did not work against blackwargreymon.
again if the dramon killers worked on other digimon types then blackwargreymon would of been affected and it's literally impossible for dramon and greymon type digimon to be the same because they both possess different progenitors dracomon for the dramon line and ancientgreymon for the greymon line.
ancient greymon passed it's abilities onto the greymon species while dracomon passed his abilities onto dramon type digimon again these factoids alone make it impossible for what your saying to be true btw this is also backed up because wargreymon's dramon killer gauntlets did not work against blackwargreymon.
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"again if the dramon killers worked on other digimon types then blackwargreymon would of been affected"
Simply an inconsistency. Directly stated to work on Greymon-species Digimon. Also, evidence of it not working on BlackWarGreymon?
" it's literally impossible for dramon and greymon type digimon to be the same because they both possess different progenitors dracomon for the dramon line and acientgreymon for the greymon line "
Doesn't stop them from being dragons. Them being from two different progenitors doesn't mean that stops them from being dragons and thus harmed by dramon killers as official sources blatantly confirm as such. The simple fact is that no matter what, Dramon Killers is highly effective on any dragon type Digimon, not just dramon and sources such as the very wielder of the weapons state as such. They are effective against Greymon-species and other dragons, no if, ands or buts about it.
Simply an inconsistency. Directly stated to work on Greymon-species Digimon. Also, evidence of it not working on BlackWarGreymon?
" it's literally impossible for dramon and greymon type digimon to be the same because they both possess different progenitors dracomon for the dramon line and acientgreymon for the greymon line "
Doesn't stop them from being dragons. Them being from two different progenitors doesn't mean that stops them from being dragons and thus harmed by dramon killers as official sources blatantly confirm as such. The simple fact is that no matter what, Dramon Killers is highly effective on any dragon type Digimon, not just dramon and sources such as the very wielder of the weapons state as such. They are effective against Greymon-species and other dragons, no if, ands or buts about it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Tvvpiv1rw
Wargreymon gets clawed in the 40 second mark with little harm done to him
wargreymon gets clawed again with little harm done to him at around the 50 second time frame.
greymon type digimon are more closer to dinosaurs than dragons nonetheless dramon killers work on dramon type digimon again it's in the name dramon killer gauntlets. the wargreymon reference page simply just states it's a double edged sword again that line could be interpreted in multiple other ways than what your saying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Tvvpiv1rw
Wargreymon gets clawed in the 40 second mark with little harm done to him
wargreymon gets clawed again with little harm done to him at around the 50 second time frame.
greymon type digimon are more closer to dinosaurs than dragons nonetheless dramon killers work on dramon type digimon again it's in the name dramon killer gauntlets. the wargreymon reference page simply just states it's a double edged sword again that line could be interpreted in multiple other ways than what your saying.
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1) Originally the profile of WarGreymon, of Digimon Pendulum, established that Dramon Killers were effective against "Dragon Digimon" (þ½£Õ×ïÒâçÒé©ÒâóÒâ│).
2)About the progenitor, it is an unnecessary discussion. AncientGreymon's evolution is shown in the Digital Mosnter Card Game as coming from a Metal Greymo, we don't know exactly how "inheritance" occurs, what it means or nothing of the kind. It's just a feature that seemed to be interesting and they put that between the two. It cannot be said that Dracomon and the Greymon species are unrelated considering the passage in WarGreymon's profile considering that it does affect itself.
3) Considering the profiles we have so far, it is clear that Dramon Killer are effective against dragons, specifically it may affect dragon data and as Dramon Digimon specifically must have Dragon Data, so they are the clearest target. But any "Dragon" Digimon should be affected to some degree as made clear in both WarGreymon's first profile and the current one.
2)About the progenitor, it is an unnecessary discussion. AncientGreymon's evolution is shown in the Digital Mosnter Card Game as coming from a Metal Greymo, we don't know exactly how "inheritance" occurs, what it means or nothing of the kind. It's just a feature that seemed to be interesting and they put that between the two. It cannot be said that Dracomon and the Greymon species are unrelated considering the passage in WarGreymon's profile considering that it does affect itself.
3) Considering the profiles we have so far, it is clear that Dramon Killer are effective against dragons, specifically it may affect dragon data and as Dramon Digimon specifically must have Dragon Data, so they are the clearest target. But any "Dragon" Digimon should be affected to some degree as made clear in both WarGreymon's first profile and the current one.
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"Wargreymon gets clawed in the 40 second mark with little harm done to him. wargreymon gets clawed again with little harm done to him at around the 50 second time frame."
Once again. Inconsistency with Anime and Lore. Even then, the attacks blatantly hits War Greymon's Chrome Digizoid Armor that is protecting it's body.
"greymon type digimon are more closer to dinosaurs than dragons nonetheless dramon killers work on dramon type digimon again it's in the name dramon killer gauntlets"
WarGreymon is literally classified as a "Dragon Man" Digimon.
MetalGreymon is officially stated to be a Dragon.
The Greymon species are literally called dragons.
AncientGreymon is also classified under "Ancient Dragon".
All Dinosaur Digimon are within the "Dragon's Roar" category.
ShineGreymon is classified as a "Light Dragon" Digimon.
Gaiomon/Samudramon, who is stated to be a subspecies of the Greymon-species is directly classified as a "Dragon Man" Digimon
DoruGreymon is officially labeled as a "Beast Dragon" Digimon.
I don't see the need to go on.
"the wargreymon reference page simply just states it's a double edged sword again that line could be interpreted in multiple other ways than what your saying."
Occzam's Razor dictates that it is discussing the fact that said weapons are dangerous it itself as it was talking about the effectiveness against dragons, which once again WarGreymon is officially classified as. There is not other meaning here, the context given is quite blatant.
Once again. Inconsistency with Anime and Lore. Even then, the attacks blatantly hits War Greymon's Chrome Digizoid Armor that is protecting it's body.
"greymon type digimon are more closer to dinosaurs than dragons nonetheless dramon killers work on dramon type digimon again it's in the name dramon killer gauntlets"
WarGreymon is literally classified as a "Dragon Man" Digimon.
MetalGreymon is officially stated to be a Dragon.
The Greymon species are literally called dragons.
| Possessing the attribute of "Flame", it is one of the legendary Ten Warriors Digimon that saved the ancient Digital World. An Ultimate who existed only in the distant past, it is told that its strength surpasses that of current Ultimates, and it is certainly an "Ultimate" being. Ancient Greymon's abilities were later passed on to the "Dragon Digimon" of the Greymon-species. It is said that in the previous crusade, it survived to the end alongside Ancient Garurumon, and sealed away Lucemon. | ||
All Dinosaur Digimon are within the "Dragon's Roar" category.
ShineGreymon is classified as a "Light Dragon" Digimon.
| A Light Dragon Digimo which fights with the red-hot solar energy it accumulates. | ||
~ [ShineGreymon Official Reference Book] |
| A Dragon Man Digimon that increases its own strength as it wins battles, and is a subspecies of the Greymon-species, which are highly capable as Combat Species Digimon. Discovered within a neglected Oriental computer, there are many parts of its strength which are unmeasured, but it has been confirmed that it possesses an unbelievable combat record from its countless battles. Its uniquely shaped "Kikurin" swords, which it acquired due to its combat experience, leave behind eerie tracks of light, and it is said that anything that comes in contact with those tracks will be cut to pieces. | ||
| A colossal Beast Dragon Digimo whose form was released through the Interface on its brow by the potent life-force data of the legendary beast, the "Dragon", which slept within the deepest parts of its Digicore, and that holds the alias of "Final Enemy". With its overwhelming stature it can demolish any dauntlessly courageous Digimon, and even the attacks of the "Nightmare Soldiers" are deflected with one sweep of its wing. It is highly intelligent, and won't reveal its existence carelessly, so it is difficult to even detect it. | ||
"the wargreymon reference page simply just states it's a double edged sword again that line could be interpreted in multiple other ways than what your saying."
Occzam's Razor dictates that it is discussing the fact that said weapons are dangerous it itself as it was talking about the effectiveness against dragons, which once again WarGreymon is officially classified as. There is not other meaning here, the context given is quite blatant.
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we see wargreymon got his armor hit not his skin again how does that matter exactly because metalseadramon was made out of strongest metal yet he still got killed in spite of that so what would make this case any different especially considering wargreymon's armor is made out of weaker metal.
https://wikimon.net/Metal_Seadramo
https://digimon.net/reference/detail.php?directory_name=metalseadramo
dramon type pacifically refers to the descendants of dracomon as it's literally stated in dracomon's reference book that this is the case and since the greymon species are stated to be descended from ancientgreymon it's impossible for them to be one and the same. dragon type does not equal dramon type digimon because of the fact it's clearly defined in the reference book that dramon type digimon just refer to the digimon descended from dracomon.
https://digimon.net/reference/detail.php?directory_name=dracomo
https://wikimon.net/Dracomo
we see wargreymon got his armor hit not his skin again how does that matter exactly because metalseadramon was made out of strongest metal yet he still got killed in spite of that so what would make this case any different especially considering wargreymon's armor is made out of weaker metal.
https://wikimon.net/Metal_Seadramo
https://digimon.net/reference/detail.php?directory_name=metalseadramo
dramon type pacifically refers to the descendants of dracomon as it's literally stated in dracomon's reference book that this is the case and since the greymon species are stated to be descended from ancientgreymon it's impossible for them to be one and the same. dragon type does not equal dramon type digimon because of the fact it's clearly defined in the reference book that dramon type digimon just refer to the digimon descended from dracomon.
https://digimon.net/reference/detail.php?directory_name=dracomo
https://wikimon.net/Dracomo
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Dramon litterally means Dragon, alongside this its states that greymon are DRAGONS. Not all dragon types descended from Dracomon.Missy0124 said:
As for the armor case, that was an enhanced power of darkness wargreymon with great tornado hitting metalseadramon, if i remember in that scene against Blackwargreymon, he did not have the power of darkness, Nor did he use great tornado.
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"we see wargreymon got his armor hit not his skin again how does that matter exactly because metalseadramon was made out of strongest metal yet he still got killed in spite of that so what would make this case any different especially considering wargreymon's armor is made out of weaker metal."
Did you miss the part where WarGreymon specifically destroyed him from the inside out? Also, WarGreymon was also buffed by the Power of Darkness during that scenario as the Novel confirms. Hence why he's 1-C in the first place. Otherwise, Dramon Killers or not, he wouldn't have so much as scratched MetalSeadramon.
"dramon type pacifically refers to the descendants of dracomon as it's literally stated in dracomon's reference book that this is the case and since the greymon species are stated to be descended from ancientgreymon it's impossible for them to be one and the same."
Yes, but Dramon-type also refers to the fact that all these Digimon have Dragon type data. Which guess what, Greymon species Digimon have. Also, love how you blatantly ignore how Pendulum flat out states that the claws work on Dragons in general.
"dragon type does not equal dramon type digimon because of the fact it's clearly defined in the reference book that dramon type digimon just refer to the digimon descended from dracomon."
Yes, but dramon-type are Dragon Digimon. What the Dramon Killers work against, are dragons. Digimon with Dragon Data. Something Dramon Digimon objectively have. Being a Dragon is what makes you weak to the Dramon Killers. Having that Dragon Data is what makes you weak to Dramon Killers. Who they are descended from is 100% irrelevant to the situation at hand and does not debunk my points whatever when we have posted source after source, entry after entry that proves you wrong while you continue to argue the same exact points which have been debunked by the series itself.
Did you miss the part where WarGreymon specifically destroyed him from the inside out? Also, WarGreymon was also buffed by the Power of Darkness during that scenario as the Novel confirms. Hence why he's 1-C in the first place. Otherwise, Dramon Killers or not, he wouldn't have so much as scratched MetalSeadramon.
"dramon type pacifically refers to the descendants of dracomon as it's literally stated in dracomon's reference book that this is the case and since the greymon species are stated to be descended from ancientgreymon it's impossible for them to be one and the same."
Yes, but Dramon-type also refers to the fact that all these Digimon have Dragon type data. Which guess what, Greymon species Digimon have. Also, love how you blatantly ignore how Pendulum flat out states that the claws work on Dragons in general.
"dragon type does not equal dramon type digimon because of the fact it's clearly defined in the reference book that dramon type digimon just refer to the digimon descended from dracomon."
Yes, but dramon-type are Dragon Digimon. What the Dramon Killers work against, are dragons. Digimon with Dragon Data. Something Dramon Digimon objectively have. Being a Dragon is what makes you weak to the Dramon Killers. Having that Dragon Data is what makes you weak to Dramon Killers. Who they are descended from is 100% irrelevant to the situation at hand and does not debunk my points whatever when we have posted source after source, entry after entry that proves you wrong while you continue to argue the same exact points which have been debunked by the series itself.
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wargreymon was enhanced in his fight with metal seadramon can provide evidence of that being case and btw wargreymon never uses the dramon killers in that fight only blackwar does
Not all dragons are descended from dracomon it's almost like that was my point and he never used great tornado in his fight with blackwar so you correct in that assessment.
nonetheless this thread has gotten massively off topic considering this used to be about saver's agumon vs adventure agumon
wargreymon was enhanced in his fight with metal seadramon can provide evidence of that being case and btw wargreymon never uses the dramon killers in that fight only blackwar does
Not all dragons are descended from dracomon it's almost like that was my point and he never used great tornado in his fight with blackwar so you correct in that assessment.
nonetheless this thread has gotten massively off topic considering this used to be about saver's agumon vs adventure agumon
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"wargreymon was enhanced in his fight with metal seadramon can provide evidence of that being case and btw wargreymon never uses the dramon killers in that fight only blackwar does"
Literally noted on the page. Literally the only reason WarGreymon is even 1-C.
"Not all dragons are descended from dracomon it's almost like that was my point"
And your point is objectively irrelevant to the fact that Dramon Killers harm other Dragons as officially confirmed.
"nonetheless this thread has gotten massively off topic considering this used to be about saver's agumon vs adventure agumon "
This is not off topic as ShineGreymon would be weak to the Dramon Killers and thus has an immediate disadvantage.
Literally noted on the page. Literally the only reason WarGreymon is even 1-C.
"Not all dragons are descended from dracomon it's almost like that was my point"
And your point is objectively irrelevant to the fact that Dramon Killers harm other Dragons as officially confirmed.
"nonetheless this thread has gotten massively off topic considering this used to be about saver's agumon vs adventure agumon "
This is not off topic as ShineGreymon would be weak to the Dramon Killers and thus has an immediate disadvantage.
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Also regarding this strongest metal argument, you realize that WarGreymon's armor is literally made from what MetalSeadramon is made of. You literally get Chrome Digizoid from Chrondigizoit and is also referred to as the strongest metal.
So this point is moot as they are the same material with the difference literally being confirmed in the source you linked.
| Possessing the name "Great Growmon", it is a Cyborg-type Perfect Digimon. As its name suggests, its body has grown gigantic, and its upper body has been metallized with the strongest metal, "Chrome Digizoid". It is able to take flight with the two vernier attached to its shoulders, so it is possible for it to perform both anti-air and anti-ground attacks. In order to restrain it from running wild due to excess power, a restraining tool similar to a bit is attached to its jaw section. Also, since the "Assault Balancer" extending like a cable from its back section is extensible, it can be used to impale the opponent. | ||
| The formal name of the "Chrondigizoit Metal" used by Metal-species Digimon is called "Chrondigizoit Hybrid Organism alloy" and is abbreviated as "CHO-alloy". Chrondigizoit alloy is an intermediate material between Chrondigizoit metal and living tissue, so it is able to integrate with living tissue, and it possesses both the super-hard firmness of Chrondigizoit, as well as the smoothness of living tissue. |
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Do you have evidence proving wargreymon was boosted during his fight with metal seadramon and he still broke though his body regardless if it was from the inside or out.
what makes one think that the video game continuity relates to the adventure universe because btw that screenshot comes from one of the older tomogatchi games.
if the dramon gauntlets only work on dragon type digimon then why was metal seadramon harmed via the dramon killers again what sources have you posted thus far that debunks my positioning btw why call the gauntlets dramon killers if their not intended to kill dramon type digimon.
btw not all dramon type digimon are dragon types so your factually incorrect unless you deem seadramon and birdramon to be dragons that is nonetheless how would the dramon killers work on ether mugendramon and or metal seadramon if it only affects dragons then again why was the dramon killer gauntlets only shown to be effective towards dramon type digimon in adventure if your threory was correct it should of worked on more than just them but no showcase of such has been shown in the digimon adventure continuity
metal seadramon's alloy is described differently and even has a different name than chrome digizoid so it's by no means the same material unless you think organically infused metal is the same as normal metal.
the reference book itself states that the chrondigizoit alloy is an intermediate material between chrondigizoit metal and living tissue so objectively speaking chrome digizoid is not the same as the chrondigizoit alloy that metal seadramon is made of.
what piece of evidence suggests that chorme digizoid is the strongest metal in the digital world
Do you have evidence proving wargreymon was boosted during his fight with metal seadramon and he still broke though his body regardless if it was from the inside or out.
what makes one think that the video game continuity relates to the adventure universe because btw that screenshot comes from one of the older tomogatchi games.
if the dramon gauntlets only work on dragon type digimon then why was metal seadramon harmed via the dramon killers again what sources have you posted thus far that debunks my positioning btw why call the gauntlets dramon killers if their not intended to kill dramon type digimon.
btw not all dramon type digimon are dragon types so your factually incorrect unless you deem seadramon and birdramon to be dragons that is nonetheless how would the dramon killers work on ether mugendramon and or metal seadramon if it only affects dragons then again why was the dramon killer gauntlets only shown to be effective towards dramon type digimon in adventure if your threory was correct it should of worked on more than just them but no showcase of such has been shown in the digimon adventure continuity
metal seadramon's alloy is described differently and even has a different name than chrome digizoid so it's by no means the same material unless you think organically infused metal is the same as normal metal.
the reference book itself states that the chrondigizoit alloy is an intermediate material between chrondigizoit metal and living tissue so objectively speaking chrome digizoid is not the same as the chrondigizoit alloy that metal seadramon is made of.
what piece of evidence suggests that chorme digizoid is the strongest metal in the digital world
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"Do you have evidence proving wargreymon was boosted during his fight with metal seadramon and he still broke though his body regardless if it was from the inside or out."
Correction. He had the "Power of God" during his fight with Machinedramon. He had no buff to my knowledge in his fight with MetalSeadramon thus making that fight an outlier. Want evidence? Third Digimon Novel explains this. Ex has the novel scans.
"what makes one think that the video game continuity relates to the adventure universe because btw that screenshot comes from one of the older tomogatchi games."
Because, they are all canon to one another. We have a canonicity blog. Our cosmology blog uses every single source, our feats use every single source, our files use every single source.. What makes one think that they do not relate when they are all under the same multiverse and canon to one another. What game or time period it came out means nothing. Consistent with the current databook entries.
"if the dramon gauntlets only work on dragon type digimon then why was metal seadramon harmed via the dramon killers again what sources have you posted thus far that debunks my positioning"
Are you daft? Dramon-type Digimon are Dragon Digimon? You realize that Dragon Digimon refers to Digimon with Dragon Data within them? Seadramon is a Dramon species Digimon, MetalSeadramon has Dragon data, and thus was effected.
"btw why call the gauntlets dramon killers if their not intended to kill dramon type digimon."
You have not been paying attention to this conversation at all. Except they are. They kill Dragon Digimon, like 90% of Dragon Digimon are "Dramon-species" hence the Dramon Killer name. However, it is simply a name as the actual gauntlets target Dragon Digimon as a whole and not just Dramon Digimon.
"metal seadramon's alloy is described differently and even has a different name than chrome digizoid so it's by no means the same material unless you think organically infused metal is the same as normal metal."
Your source literally states otherwise. Pay attention and actually read what we say and post.
"the reference book itself states that the chrondigizoit alloy is an intermediate material between chrondigizoit metal and living tissue so objectively speaking chrome digizoid is not the same as the chrondigizoit alloy that metal seadramon is made of."
They are made of the same material, just used differently. Chrome Digizoid comes from Chrondigizoit. Read the words I type.
"what piece of evidence suggests that chorme digizoid is the strongest metal in the digital world"
Good lord, can you read? I literally posted evidence from the Reference Book....Are you just ignoring what we post? I am sick of repeating myself. Actually read our posts. Now pay attention this time.
"I'm being rather serious so no i'm not trolling"
Could've fooled me.
Correction. He had the "Power of God" during his fight with Machinedramon. He had no buff to my knowledge in his fight with MetalSeadramon thus making that fight an outlier. Want evidence? Third Digimon Novel explains this. Ex has the novel scans.
"what makes one think that the video game continuity relates to the adventure universe because btw that screenshot comes from one of the older tomogatchi games."
Because, they are all canon to one another. We have a canonicity blog. Our cosmology blog uses every single source, our feats use every single source, our files use every single source.. What makes one think that they do not relate when they are all under the same multiverse and canon to one another. What game or time period it came out means nothing. Consistent with the current databook entries.
"if the dramon gauntlets only work on dragon type digimon then why was metal seadramon harmed via the dramon killers again what sources have you posted thus far that debunks my positioning"
Are you daft? Dramon-type Digimon are Dragon Digimon? You realize that Dragon Digimon refers to Digimon with Dragon Data within them? Seadramon is a Dramon species Digimon, MetalSeadramon has Dragon data, and thus was effected.
"btw why call the gauntlets dramon killers if their not intended to kill dramon type digimon."
You have not been paying attention to this conversation at all. Except they are. They kill Dragon Digimon, like 90% of Dragon Digimon are "Dramon-species" hence the Dramon Killer name. However, it is simply a name as the actual gauntlets target Dragon Digimon as a whole and not just Dramon Digimon.
"metal seadramon's alloy is described differently and even has a different name than chrome digizoid so it's by no means the same material unless you think organically infused metal is the same as normal metal."
Your source literally states otherwise. Pay attention and actually read what we say and post.
"the reference book itself states that the chrondigizoit alloy is an intermediate material between chrondigizoit metal and living tissue so objectively speaking chrome digizoid is not the same as the chrondigizoit alloy that metal seadramon is made of."
They are made of the same material, just used differently. Chrome Digizoid comes from Chrondigizoit. Read the words I type.
"what piece of evidence suggests that chorme digizoid is the strongest metal in the digital world"
Good lord, can you read? I literally posted evidence from the Reference Book....Are you just ignoring what we post? I am sick of repeating myself. Actually read our posts. Now pay attention this time.
| Possessing the name "Great Growmon", it is a Cyborg-type Perfect Digimon. As its name suggests, its body has grown gigantic, and its upper body has been metallized with the strongest metal, "Chrome Digizoid". It is able to take flight with the two vernier attached to its shoulders, so it is possible for it to perform both anti-air and anti-ground attacks. In order to restrain it from running wild due to excess power, a restraining tool similar to a bit is attached to its jaw section. Also, since the "Assault Balancer" extending like a cable from its back section is extensible, it can be used to impale the opponent. | ||
"I'm being rather serious so no i'm not trolling"
Could've fooled me.
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digimon world data squad is a video game that anime agumon shows up in. he also shows up in the ds games (ds, dawn/dusk, lost evo, super xros wars, and championship). also digimon masters. the actual character has been in a shit tonne of video games edit: and both agumons show up in adventure psp
digimon rearise actually has a dramon killer mechanic specfically for the wargreymon they added to rearise that has the dramon killer attack and these are the digimon who were then classified to take more damage from his attack (they specifically edited them just so the move does more damage)
• AeroVdramon • UlforceVdramon
• Seadramon • MegaSeadramon • WaruSeadramon • MetalSeadramon
• Coredramon (Blue and Green, ultimate-capped, Breakdramon-line and Slayerdramon-line, but not Examon-line) • Wingdramon • Slayerdramon • Groundramon (except Examon-line) • Breakdramon (except Examon-line)
• Paildramon • Imperialdramon DM & FM
• Megadramon • Mugendramon/Machinedramon
• Gigadramon • Megidramon • Holydramon
copied from the RA discord
so as far as rearise goes at least, its only dramons (and not even WGmon himself interestingly)
digimon rearise actually has a dramon killer mechanic specfically for the wargreymon they added to rearise that has the dramon killer attack and these are the digimon who were then classified to take more damage from his attack (they specifically edited them just so the move does more damage)
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V-dramon• Seadramon • MegaSeadramon • WaruSeadramon • MetalSeadramon
• Coredramon (Blue and Green, ultimate-capped, Breakdramon-line and Slayerdramon-line, but not Examon-line) • Wingdramon • Slayerdramon • Groundramon (except Examon-line) • Breakdramon (except Examon-line)
• Paildramon • Imperialdramon DM & FM
• Megadramon • Mugendramon/Machinedramon
• Gigadramon • Megidramon • Holydramon
copied from the RA discord
so as far as rearise goes at least, its only dramons (and not even WGmon himself interestingly)
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Which contradicts what WarGreymon's reference book which notes that they are a threat to him as well as Pendulum which states that Dramon Killers harm Dragon Digimon in general, which counts Dramon Digimon. Not to mention that dramon name is nothing more than a name. Only thing about them is that they have Dragon Digimon data, which other Dragons have. In fact, the idea that Examon is not affected shows this contradictory nature seeing as he's the final form of Dracomon. So ReArise does not disprove our points. Especially seeing as the Dramon Killers being a threat to WarGreymon itself is also repeated in Cyber Sleuth as well.
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Also, Missy has blatantly ignored Ex's post.Executor N0 said:
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Either way, I am done with this for the night.
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it would be something to note specifically for characters from the rearise universe if we ever have a file for them. the dorumon belonging to takumi from RA for example (dorumon -> dorugamon -> dorugreymon -> gaiomon) isnt at risk from them as RA doesn't classify them as taking more damage to them.
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At that point, it is just an inconsistency and should be ignored. Simple as that.
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Dragonmasterxyz
No not everything is canon to one another saying as xros wars explicitly stated that the different heroes come from different timelines this was exposition delivered by bargramon or the clock shop man as he's known in that arc.
using every single source just sounds dumb because under that logic kireha's greymon would be the same character as taichi's greymon which would be illogical considering xros wars does not use traditional levels and the power difference between the two is massive.
different interpretations of events exist look at the xros manga and xros anime as examples both of those can't be the same thing due to drastic differences in plot eg doroulumon has a extra form in the manga in the anime he does not.
in tamers the digital world was created via humans in adventure it's a parallel dimension so it's literally impossible to match up everything and here i thought the dragon ball scaling rules were dumb.
dramon type digimon are dragons yep tell that to birddramon and seadramon which are sea serpents and birds respectfully and examon is a form of dracomon not a descendant so really it does not contradict anything from dracomon's reference book.
i only used wikimon because they have the reference book entries translated nonetheless your source states chrome digizoid is a derivative of the aforementioned metal so no it's not the same thing per se but it is related. if you have the translated reference entries than i'll gladly stop using wikimon as a source because using wikipedia as a source is inaccurate but it's best one can do when their are no other translations available.
it's literally stated what chrondigizoit alloy is in the metal seadramon reference book entry and btw chrome digizoid is stated to be a derivative of this alloy in the source you yourself linked how can you claim their the same exact thing exactly
dragon digimon refers to digimon with dragon data yes i know that much and according to wikimon nether metal seadramon nor mugendramon are dragon type digimon.
the games often have evolutions that are not supported by lore and or the original anime appearance eg shoutmon evolving from gigimon in digimon world:next order despite that evolution sequence not being supported anywhere else prior so metalgreymon evolving into ancientgreymon can be chalked up as a inconsistency nonetheless reference books have far more importance than one off game titles
No not everything is canon to one another saying as xros wars explicitly stated that the different heroes come from different timelines this was exposition delivered by bargramon or the clock shop man as he's known in that arc.
using every single source just sounds dumb because under that logic kireha's greymon would be the same character as taichi's greymon which would be illogical considering xros wars does not use traditional levels and the power difference between the two is massive.
different interpretations of events exist look at the xros manga and xros anime as examples both of those can't be the same thing due to drastic differences in plot eg doroulumon has a extra form in the manga in the anime he does not.
in tamers the digital world was created via humans in adventure it's a parallel dimension so it's literally impossible to match up everything and here i thought the dragon ball scaling rules were dumb.
dramon type digimon are dragons yep tell that to birddramon and seadramon which are sea serpents and birds respectfully and examon is a form of dracomon not a descendant so really it does not contradict anything from dracomon's reference book.
i only used wikimon because they have the reference book entries translated nonetheless your source states chrome digizoid is a derivative of the aforementioned metal so no it's not the same thing per se but it is related. if you have the translated reference entries than i'll gladly stop using wikimon as a source because using wikipedia as a source is inaccurate but it's best one can do when their are no other translations available.
it's literally stated what chrondigizoit alloy is in the metal seadramon reference book entry and btw chrome digizoid is stated to be a derivative of this alloy in the source you yourself linked how can you claim their the same exact thing exactly
dragon digimon refers to digimon with dragon data yes i know that much and according to wikimon nether metal seadramon nor mugendramon are dragon type digimon.
the games often have evolutions that are not supported by lore and or the original anime appearance eg shoutmon evolving from gigimon in digimon world:next order despite that evolution sequence not being supported anywhere else prior so metalgreymon evolving into ancientgreymon can be chalked up as a inconsistency nonetheless reference books have far more importance than one off game titles
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Okorito1
https://wikimon.net/Dα-240
https://wikimon.net/St-700
The translated card stats showcase he's not a dragon type digimon so your factually incorrect in that assessment
https://wikimon.net/Dα-240
https://wikimon.net/St-700
The translated card stats showcase he's not a dragon type digimon so your factually incorrect in that assessment
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Missy0124 said:
| It uses sonar detection to capture its enemies! An unsinkable submarine dragoon!! |
| This great metal drago rules the seas with its Ultimate Stream. |
It won't let any prey get away! This iron water drago pursues at high speed!! |
| The aquatic dragon from the frozen lands circles the Net Ocean! |
| An uncompromising evil program! A full metal mobile cannon dragon!! |
| https://wikimon.net/St-580 |
| A mechanical drago whose Digicore houses an evil program. |
| https://wikimon.net/Re-53t |
| This bladed bird-drago Digimon stores flames of darkness in its wings! |
| https://wikimon.net/Bo-967 |
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