TABS, TABG AND TABZ GD Thread

[JustANormalLemon]

I was judging by the fact that it has two phases. Each with their own health.

Is this for Durability or AP?(sinse you mentioned damage too)

Gonna guess dura

 

[JustANormalLemon]

So scaling to Thor we have:

• Mammoth
• King
• Zeus
• Minotaur
• Da Vinci Tank
• Pirate Queen
• Reaper
• Super Boxer
• Super Peasant
• Dark Peasant
• Sacred Elephant (not the rider)
• Chronomancer (doesn't seem to deal damage?)
• Void Monarch
• Ice Giant
• Artemis
• Tree Giant
• Lady Red Jade
• Samurai Giant
• Blackbeard
• Skeleton Giant

Weird cases:

• Dragon (Doesn't really contain its pilot like the Tank does, so it can be rendered null by the 9-B being killed)
• Wheelbarrow (See above)
• Longship (See above)
• Wheelbarrow Dragon (See above)
• Jarl (Worse stats than Zeus or Thor, by a good amount; I'm thinking "At least 9-B, possibly 8-B")
• Captain (Same as Jarl, with his flintlock technically firing 12 50 damage shots)
• Death Bringer (Same as Jarl)
• Vlad (Same as Jarl)

Seems to be everyone. I tried to look at the nuance of each unit but there's a lot so lmk if something here seems weird.

Was this supposed to be only units with less HP then thor? why is Skeleton giant and tree giant there? if not why Ice giant isn't in the list?

anyway we still need to make thelist for everyone who scales in AP to thor

Thor hammer does 250 to 500 of damage each hit while the explosion that the hammer creates does 240 damage, makes more sense to scale from the Explosion sinse the featt was a explosion that destroyed a small castle and burned a forest

So we now have the same problem as HP, will only troops with equal or above damage scale to thor in AP? well this will bring problens like Giant skelleton that only does 95 to 190 points of damage what even trough is lower is very close to the 240 damage from thor explosion

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Was this supposed to be only units with less HP then thor? why is Skeleton giant and tree giant there? if not why Ice giant isn't in the list?

anyway we still need to make thelist for everyone who scales in AP to thor

Thor hammer does 250 to 500 of damage each hit while the explosion that the hammer creates does 240 damage, makes more sense to scale from the Explosion sinse the featt was a explosion that destroyed a small castle and burned a forest

So we now have the same problem as HP, will only troops with equal or above damage scale to thor in AP? well this will bring problens like Giant skelleton that only does 95 to 190 points of damage what even trough is lower is very close to the 240 damage from thor explosion

This was intended to be listing the 8-Bs. There's a couple characters there that do less and I don't really know how to handle them (like the Giant Skeleton you pointed out). That said, I don't really understand everything you're saying here (like the Ice Giant bit, he is on the list, I don't know what you mean).

 

[JustANormalLemon]

This was intended to be listing the 8-Bs. There's a couple characters there that do less and I don't really know how to handle them (like the Giant Skeleton you pointed out). That said, I don't really understand everything you're saying here (like the Ice Giant bit, he is on the list, I don't know what you mean).

I didn't see the Ice Giant in the list at first, my bad

Anyway, so the list is for AP and durability?

Baically my confusion is the fact we gonna have to scale their AP and Durability separatedly for each Troop instead of "if It has 8-B AP It also has 8-B dura) or something like that

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I do think the Skeleton Giant is a point of concern. Are any of the others odd to you, in terms of scaling to Thor?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

DeathBirngher
Void Monarch(first form)
Mammoth
Chieftan
Bone Mage
Stoner
Spear Trower
archer
Sarissa
Minnotaur grab
Valkire
Long ship ridders Oar
Jarl
Hawatcha
Samurai
Fencer
Musketer
Halbeard
Cannon
Capitain
Pirate Queen
Quickdraw

There is most likely more, I will send this and start to get more exemples

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Chronomancer
Shadow Walker(does more damage each time each hit's the same target)
Bomb on a stick(explosion)
The Teacher
Executioner
Vlad
Black Beard
Lady Red Jade
Shogun
Artemis

 

[Mr. Bambu]

...Could you explain what you feel is odd about them?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

...Could you explain what you feel is odd about them?

Most of them have damage near the 200 making them really close to the 240 damage from thor hammer explosion, but similar to the likes of zeus or minotaur not enough to reach the 240 treshold

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Okay, so you're not questioning them but suggesting them. There seems to be a level of communication error here.

A lot of these guys don't really do close to Thor's damage. Thor does nearly 500 before accounting for physics. The spear throw does less than half of that. We really shouldn't be trying to scale regular units to Thor, especially when they are so very distant from him.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Okay, so you're not questioning them but suggesting them. There seems to be a level of communication error here.

A lot of these guys don't really do close to Thor's damage. Thor does nearly 500 before accounting for physics. The spear throw does less than half of that. We really shouldn't be trying to scale regular units to Thor, especially when they are so very distant from him.

I trough we where scaling them based on thor hammer explosion not the lightning damage

Makes sense, so just to be sure, what is the damage threshold you think should be used? 500? I mean thor hammer explosion only does 240 famage so I was bassing my self on this

Thor's Hammer

The Thor's Hammer is a melee weapon from the Legacy faction. It is used by Thor. Thor's Hammer (aka Mjolnir) is a giant bulky hammer with a slightly longer handle and a glowing circle and lighting shape on the sides. They have a unique attack which can cause an electric explosion that inflict...

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[JustANormalLemon]

anyway, if I only look at the list you gave me earlier I guess they would be

• Mammoth
• Zeus
• Da Vinci Tank
• Chronomancer
• Void Monarch(first form)
• Artemis
• Lady Red Jade
• Skeleton Giant

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Why is arthemis on your list? she only has 661 hp and does 90 damage per arrow

 

[FinePoint]

Why is arthemis on your list? she only has 661 hp and does 90 damage per arrow

She fires five arrows at once though, so more like 450 damage per attack.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I wouldn't count this as 450 damage in one attack, otherwise Hwatchas would also scale a lot from that

 

[FinePoint]

I wouldn't count this as 450 damage in one attack, otherwise Hwatchas would also scale a lot from that

I mean the Hwatcha can genuinely one-shot a lot of high-tier units, so that wouldn't be entirely unfair.

As far as the wiki is concerned, we tend to care more about if it's a 'single attack' rather than if it's literally a single motion or object.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I mean the Hwatcha can genuinely one-shot a lot of high-tier units, so that wouldn't be entirely unfair.

As far as the wiki is concerned, we tend to care more about if it's a 'single attack' rather than if it's literally a single motion or object.

Hum... I would like to see exemples of this if you have any

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Anyway, we still need to decide who scales in AP and who scales in Durability

 

[JustANormalLemon]

College restarts for me tomorrow so I probable will not have time to make the CRT nor bump It, so I will send what I alread wrote here if anyone want to do that for me

I had made another CRT post about It before but It was a really bad one and now this one will be more organized and with better additions
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First of all, here is the link for the verse page: T.A.B.S
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Okay let's start with the most straight foward change

This calc was accepted, this is a revision of the original 8-B calc for the verse using the new another material for the castle as suggested by the Calculation Group menber Mr. Bambu

This would upgrade every 8-B character from 57964590000 Joules to 72454590000 Joules this is a pretty straight foward change

Thouse being every one who scales to Thor

Agree:

Disagree:
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Now let's go to the more... let's say controversial change

First of all, we need a bit of context, every character from the verse, called troops or units, have a price to be used in game, currently we decide who will be 8-B and who will not based on the price of the units in comparason to the unit Thor who costs 2200, everyone who costs the same or more scales to 8-B, this is not ideal for a lot of reasons, with characters with high stats when compared to Thor being considered 9-B(like the king), and others with low damage and health being considered 8-B(like sensei), not to mention ignoring things like glass cannnons and wall characters

The solution is simple, with the help of Mr. Bambu we decided who would be 8-B in AP and who would be 8-B in durability based on the values they have in game(thanks to the low amount of non gameplay based lore the game has), all the values are taken from the official T.A.B.S wiki here(ps: while the HP of each troop is in the link It self, for the damage you need to go inside each troop weapon to see the damage)

Let's talk about Durability first, Thor has a health pool of 1690 hp, any unity with the same amount or more will scale to thor durability of 8-B, but there are troops with health values extremely close to thor's and Mr.Bambu helped decide with ones are close enough to downscale from thor

So downscaling to Thor we have:

• Zeus
• Minotaur
• Reaper
• Chronomancer (both forms)
• Void Monarch(first form)

Weird cases:

• Dragon (Doesn't really contain its pilot like the Tank does, so it can be rendered null by the 9-B pilots being killed)
• Wheelbarrow (See above)
• Longship (See above)
• Wheelbarrow Dragon (See above)
• Jarl (Worse stats than Zeus or Thor, by a good amount; I'm thinking "At least 9-B, possibly 8-B")
• Captain (Same as Jarl)
• Death Bringer (Same as Jarl)
• Vlad (Same as Jarl)

Basically this troops have HP close enough to Thor to scale to them in durability, with some odd cases

For troops with high health but with exposed pilots like Dragon or wheelbarrow the "vehicle" It self would have 8-B dura while their riders would be 9-B only

Now let's talk about AP, we will be looking at thor 500 damage to decide who will be 8-B in AP or not
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Let's talk about zeus

 

[JustANormalLemon]

So we are using the 240 damage range or the 500?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

500. If it is approximately close, that is fine.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Okay, so how about this, if they scale in HP to thor they are overall 8-B sinse they can fight each other, if they scale only in damage they are a glass cannon
and still has 9-B durability

also zeus probable fits better as a "possible" only for 8-B

 

[FinePoint]

Okay, so how about this, if they scale in HP to thor they are overall 8-B sinse they can fight each other, if they scale only in damage they are a glass cannon
and still has 9-B durability

also zeus probable fits better as a "possible" only for 8-B

If they can only compete via a technicality, then I think Possibly should work fine.

For example, Zeus being far less impressive in terms of raw stats but having about as much total damage depending on the scenario, along with the implication from the achievement.

This is opposed to the fact that if you just spawn both and have them face each other, Thor will stomp Zeus 100% of the time on even terrain.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Yes, baically that

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I just updated the CRT I'm working on, what yall think?

I had made another CRT post about It before but It was a really bad one and now this one will be more organized and with better additions
============================================================
First of all, here is the link for the verse page: T.A.B.S
============================================================
Okay let's start with the most straight foward change

This calc was accepted, this is a revision of the original 8-B calc for the verse using the new another material for the castle as suggested by the Calculation Group menber Mr. Bambu

This would upgrade every 8-B character from 57964590000 Joules to 72454590000 Joules this is a pretty straight foward change

Thouse being every one who scales to Thor

Agree:

Disagree:
============================================================
Now let's go to the more... let's say controversial change

First of all, we need a bit of context, every character from the verse, called troops or units, have a price to be used in game, currently we decide who will be 8-B and who will not based on the price of the units in comparason to the unit Thor who costs 2200, everyone who costs the same or more scales to 8-B, this is not ideal for a lot of reasons, with characters with high stats when compared to Thor being considered 9-B(like the king), and others with low damage and health being considered 8-B(like sensei), not to mention ignoring things like glass cannnons and wall characters

The solution is simple, with the help of Mr. Bambu we decided who would be 8-B in AP and who would be 8-B in durability based on the values they have in game(thanks to the low amount of non gameplay based lore the game has), all the values are taken from the official T.A.B.S wiki here(ps: while the HP of each troop is in the link It self, for the damage you need to go inside each troop weapon to see the damage)

Let's talk about Durability first, Thor has a health pool of 1690 hp, any unity with the same amount or more will scale to thor durability of 8-B, but there are troops with health values extremely close to thor's and Mr.Bambu helped decide with ones are close enough to downscale from thor

So downscaling to Thor we have:

• Minotaur
• Reaper
• Chronomancer (both forms)
• Void Monarch(first form)

Weird cases:

• Zeus (Bad stats overall but there is achievement about killing Thor using zeus or vice versa, should be "At least 9-B, possibly 8-B")
• Dragon (Doesn't really contain its pilot like the Tank does, so it can be rendered null by the 9-B pilots being killed)
• Wheelbarrow (See above)
• Longship (See above)
• Wheelbarrow Dragon (See above)
• Jarl (Worse stats than Zeus or Thor, by a good amount; I'm thinking "At least 9-B, possibly 8-B")
• Captain (Same as Jarl)
• Death Bringer (Same as Jarl)
• Vlad (Same as Jarl)
• Lady Red Jade(Better stats then Jarl, "At least 9-B, possibly 8-B")

Basically this troops have HP close enough to Thor to scale to them in durability, with some odd cases

For troops with high health but with exposed pilots like Dragon or wheelbarrow the "vehicle" It self would have 8-B dura while their riders would be 9-B only

Now let's talk about AP, we will be looking at thor 500 damage to decide who will be 8-B in AP or not

Every troop with a damage of 500 or more will automatically scale to 8-B in AP, but we also have some weird cases that are close enough to scale to that but not exactly as high

Here we can see the damage every weapon in the game does

So downscaling from thor we have:

• King (Does 440 damage)
• Long Ship (Does 400 damage with the oars and 500 with the boat It self, the ship carriers would not scale to that)
• Halberd (does 440 damage)
• Jouster(does 430 damage)
• Pirate queen (does 320 damage)
• Bomb on a stick (Does 310 damage)
• Blackbeard (does 420 damage)
• Super Boxer(does 440 per punch)

Weird cases:

• Chieftain (does 250 damage per attack, should be a "At least 9-B, possibly 8-B" case)
• Ice Mage (does 265, Same as Chieftain)
• Cavalry (does 280, Same as Chieftain)
• Minotaur (does 260, same as Chieftain)
• Zeus (Bad stats overall but there is achievement about killing Thor using zeus or vice versa, should be "At least 9-B, possibly 8-B")
• Artemis (Does 420 damage but only combining the damage of evey arrow she shoots at the same time, should be a"At least 9-B, possibly 8-B")
• Jarl (Does 300 damage, "At least 9-B, possibly 8-B" case)
• Hwacha(does only 60 damage but shoots 200 projectiles, enough to kill ice giants, same as Artemis)
• Capitain(flitlock only, does 600 damage if ever bullet hits)
• Wizard (Does only 260 with It's ranged attack, but does 440 and 300 with meele attacks)
• Void Monarch and Chronomancer (Void monarch does 270 damage on his first form, so the same case as Chieftain, but Chronomancer does only 150, but Chronomancer and Void Monarch are counterparts so one would scale to the other, Their transformations would be 8-B by then selfs)
• Infernal Whipe (Does 270 damage, same as Chieftain)

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[JustANormalLemon]

I will probable will be sending the CRT thread tomorrow, so if anyone has anything to add, be my guest

 

[JustANormalLemon]

T.A.B.S 8-B upgrade + better scaling

I had made another CRT post about It before but It was a really bad one and now this one will be more organized and with better additions ============================================================ First of all, here is the link for the verse page: T.A.B.S...

vsbattles.com

I almost forgot to publish the crt lol