System XX vs Archie Sonic

[The_real_cal_howard]

Wasn't that random madman also pre-Harmony?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Yeah, he had the power of 14 Chaos Emeralds.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Master Mogul had twelve Chaos Emeralds at the time, and tried to obtain 14 before being sealed.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Er...didn't Master Mogul only have 2-C feats in this form?

 

[Foneybone1]

Sonic technically fights pre harmony Enerjak when he fought Master Mogul, but that doesn't really cound since it was Enerjak's power on top of Mogul's. Knuckles Enerjak was post harmony, but Sonic didn't use the Chaos Emeralds to transform, and Knuckles was weakened before the fight.

I 100% agree more pre harmony emeralds grants more power, but due to the unknown method of combining the emeralds during the harmony, this is not the case for the post harmony emeralds. The Master Emerald still being stronger than the post harmony emeralds is enough reason for this to be obvious, when have they ever shown to be stronger post harmony?

Throwing out WoG for the emerald's scaling is risky business considering all of the blowing the SGW feat out of proportion comes from dubious interpritation of WoG. Especially since, with or without him oddly implying a cap at 7 emerald's power, he litteraly says they're the same power wise before and after the harmony.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Well...that changes everything.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

That's really contradictory.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Er...didn't Master Mogul only have 2-C feats in this form?

He stole Enerjak's power and also attacked The Ancient Walkers.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That wasn't post-harmony? Never mind then.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Flynn stating that more Chaos Emeralds cannot equate to more power because "infinity + infinity = infinity" should be dismissed due to how contradictory that is to the showings and statements in actual series.

When Feist combined the Emeralds, it was outright stated that he "shaped their power": http://imgur.com/AZIqlsi

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I'll discuss what we should do in the Sonic General Discussion Zone

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I may be a hypocrite for saying this but...you should make a thread.

 

[Foneybone1]

Call me a curmudgeon, but do you have any other examples besides a vauge statement like "shaping power" which doesn't imply one way or another if they're stronger or not?

At risk of sounding like a broken record, if the emralds are thousands of times stronger, why is the Master Emearld still stronger than them despite only having the power of 14?

 

[ShakeResounding]

So there's contradicting statements within the comics whether they're stronger or not? Great.

@Shadow Yeah, you should do that

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Annnnnyyyyyyywaayyyyyy, we all agree System XX resistence negates Sonic into oblivion, right?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Well they're bloodlusted so Sonic would open out with conceptual hax.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

XX would start with PI, which as far as i know, is on thought.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

What does PI do?

 

[Foneybone1]

Unless someone actually shows a statement in the comics that they're stronger, no, there aren't contradicting statements. Nothing in the comics, data files, or encyclopedia says they're stronger that I'm aware of.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

PI is a bunch of stuff, including Conceptual Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Sealing, and a ton of other stuff.

 

[Everything12]

What does PI do?

Phenomena Intervention (Which grants Causality Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, BFR, Reality Warping and Existence Erasure. Able to observe multiple dimensions at once)

To vastly simiplfy it, thought based reality warping, plus some extra stuff.

 

[ShakeResounding]

@Foney Comw to the Sonic General Discussion 12, we're talking about it now. Let's avoid clogging up a Vs match.

 

[MYHERO]

This is a necro, but from what I see this would probably end in an inconclusive, as Sonic only needs to hit System XX once with conceptual manipulation type 2, which he is willing to do right off the bat. But at the same time, System XX can hit Sonic with nearly anything and it would work because of her resistance negation. It's just a matter of who would hit first.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Isn't PI faster tho? It's thought based, while Chaos Control needs to be charged if Sonic wants to reset or conceptually erase something.

 

[MYHERO]

I vaguely remember Shadow saying that Chaos Energy users just needs to think.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

For time stop and such, sure. Not for the conceptual stuff tho. When Mega Man and Sonic were reseting the multiverse, both him and Mega had to charge for a bit.

Though to be fair, they took longer that time because Mega Man was unexperienced, but still, PI is faster.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Sonic can also activate Chaos Control by simply speaking.

 

[MYHERO]

Well that seems a bit more decisive. I'm going to be adding up votes now.

System: 4 (Crimson, Shiro, Glass, Cal)

Sonic: 1 (Shadow)

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Well, thinking is faster than speaking right?

 

[Theglassman12]

It is faster, in the same sense that thought based hax is faster than hax that activates from a hand gesture

 

[MYHERO]

I assume you're voting for System?

 

[Theglassman12]

Yes I am

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

 

[MYHERO]

Bump

 

[MYHERO]

I just talked to Shadow, and he said that conceptual manipulation can start with only a thought.

 

[RotofBots]

System xx resists PI which includes type 2 concept manipulation so...

Anyways, System XX FRA

 

[MYHERO]

If System xx resists that then it just becomes a stomp.

 

[RotofBots]

Probably is tbh.

 

[Bobsican]

Stomp FRA