Superman Upgrade

[LordNephalem]

So apparently Orion once blew apart a star system with the shockwaves of one of his fights and Post-Flashpoint Superman scales from him . In my opinion, that makes sense since Superman has casual 4-C feats .

So... possible 4-B Superman? What do you think?

 

[Js250476]

This makes sense to me

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that this seems to make sense, but given that the Post-Flashpoint and Post-Crisis versions of Superman were both merged together recently, I am not sure if it is necessary to keep the former profile.

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask Matthew Schroeder to comment here if you wish.

 

[LordNephalem]

I think that Post-Flashpoint Superman shouldn't be left out because he merged with Post-Crisis, especially because others characters scale to him. Like Supergirl and Diana, if Sups is really 4-B they'd also be.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but as I mentioned previously, you should ask Matthew to comment here, if you want anything to happen.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Justice Buster few I'm unsure. Orion's feat is 4-B and is Rebirth. Rebirth will be 4-B, we just have to add keys to profiles.

 

[LordNephalem]

But isn't Rebirth Orion the same from New 52? Who fought on pair with Superman.

 

[Zensum]

TBH the rebirth key should be on the post flashpint profile instead of the post crisis one imo.

Rebirth Orion should be the same as the one as n52 since NG arent effected by the "reset"

 

[Antvasima]

I agree that the Rebirth characters seem to be back to their previous power levels.

 

[LordNephalem]

I forgot to mention, the comic actually shows the solar system being destroyed during the fight . It's irrelevant to this discussion, but it's still pretty cool.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Another good feat is that Post-Crisis Wally West has returned, and he is actually stated to be faster than what he was.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, he has not been presented as such so far in terms of the demonstrated extent of his abilities, as far as I am aware.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

He has already had Massively FTL+ feats, tho.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but we haven't seen him live up to these feats yet.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Well, that's because it's practically impossible for any character to have speed feats above the ones Wally already has.

 

[Js250476]

Trans time velocity anyone?

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose so.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, we should probably remove the footnote about Superman (Post-Crisis) not being as powerful anymore.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah, and add Rebirth Keys to certain profiles.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[LordNephalem]

Apparently, Mongul was responsible for crushing thousands of red suns (probably one at a time). Nothing to do with the original discussion, but maybe it could be used to support 4-B Rebirth Superman, even though it's kinda vague.

 

[Naim_Ishtiak_Ahmed]

So apparently Orion once blew apart a star system with the shockwaves of one of his fights and Post-Flashpoint Superman scales from him . In my opinion, that makes sense since Superman has casual 4-C feats .
So... possible 4-B Superman? What do you think?

New52 & Post-Crisis were only half as of Superman Reborn. So shouldn't Rebirth Superman be more powerful than Post-Crisis?

 

[Naim_Ishtiak_Ahmed]

Rebirth Superman is the full Superman. New52 & Post-Crisis were only half. So shouldn't Rebirth be more powerful than Post-Crisis? Then updating New52 is also nessecary.

 

[Antvasima]

Rebirth Superman is as powerful as the Post-Crisis version, since he shares most of the same feats/history. I am not sure about the Post-Flashpoint version.

 

[Naim_Ishtiak_Ahmed]

Well I don't care much for New52 Supes but Darkseid needs updating

 

[Antvasima]

Possibly, yes, but you will have to ask Matthew about it.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

We need to merge the profiles together and make them into Keys soon. Reppuzan offered to help, if I remember.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.

 

[Izreldan]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Does anybody have a plan for how we can merge together the Post-Crisis and Post-Flashpoint Superman profiles?

Perhaps somebody could ask Sandman31 to give input here?

 

[Sandman31]

Maybe we can combine the profiles like Matt said or add a new key?

About Rebirth Superman being more powerful than Post-Crisis. Even though Rebirth Superman has the same history as Post-Crisis I think Rebirth Superman doesnt have feats to compare to PC. Well, they they've been merge so I guess 4-B is fine, I dont think he's stronger than PC though

Also, the Solar System feat is legit. But I guess it should be mentioned that the nth metal Golem that he was fighting nearly killed him two times, the Golems were overpowering the Green Lanterns and were only defeated because of their weakspot

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah we need to merge profiles and stuff.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. There is also the Batman (Post-Flashpoint) profile that is outdated now, and needs to be merged with Batman (Post-Crisis).

Maybe Wonder Woman (Post-Flashpoint) and Wonder Woman (Post-Crisis) as well.

Three different keys for the Post-Crisis, Post-Flashpoint, and Post-Rebirth versions might be the best option, yes.

 

[Firestorm808]

I thought it went like this.

New 52 Superman < "Post-Crisis" Superman in the New 52 < 1986-2011 Superman (True/Combined at Rebirth)

 

[Standuser081]

IIRC Post-Crisis Supes is the same as Rebirth Supes.

 

[Antvasima]

Almost, but not quite. For example, the retconned "Death of Superman" story that is very different now.

 

[Standuser081]

Oh yeah, I just remembered that elements from New 52 Superman was also merged with Rebirth Superman.

 

[Firestorm808]

Elements like?