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I can agree with this solution. What do others think about this?
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Superman feat removal
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I’ve applied the changes. How do they look?
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It seems good to me, but I am not sure if we already agreed about adjusting Superman's lifting strength, and if so, lots of other Post-Crisis characters need to have their lifting strengths adjusted as well. It is probably best to keep it at Stellar for the time being.
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Here are all of the edits, for easy viewing access:
Superman (Post-Crisis)
Superman is one of the most powerful beings on Earth and its greatest hero. Born to the illustrious House of El, Kal-El is one of the last surviving members of his race as his planet was destroyed not long after his birth. He was found and raised by Jonathan and Martha Kent in Smallville...
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Professor Zoom (Post-Crisis)
It started the second he ran through these streets. There was a flash of a lightning from beyond, followed by a thousand thunderous footsteps. His strides ushered in a new age of those that would shatter the speed of sound, light and time. Those that would race down the same road he did...
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Green Lantern (Alan Scott) (Post-Crisis)
Alan Scott was just a normal railroad engineer until he discovered a lantern containing the Starheart, a powerful mystic artifact concealed by the Guardians. He then used his immense power to become the crime fighter, the Green Lantern. His power does not come from a Green Lantern Corps ring. He...
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I’ll revert it back to Stellar.
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@Mav Thawne’s AP would obviously also scale to solar system when his dura does. Should be about the same justification as Wally, oh and same story for Barry’s AP and dura who is Thawne’s equal.
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Thank you. It should probably only be based on scaling from Lobo though.
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What do the rest of you think about this.
Also, should I call more knowledgeable members to this thread?
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Agree.
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Would you be willing to help out here please? My apologies if you have responded here earlier.
Would you be willing to help out here please? My apologies if you have responded here earlier.
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No clue tbh. Just downgrade it to 5-A to make it simpler
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Could someone provide a summary of what’s been discussed so far?
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Removing some unnecessary feats was accepted and done I believe. (Haven't checked his page).
LS was agreed to be downgraded from stellar for them, but there are too many files affected, so postponed for later ig.
Now someone brought up that reverse flash should get 4-B for ap too since his durability is 4-B
LS was agreed to be downgraded from stellar for them, but there are too many files affected, so postponed for later ig.
Now someone brought up that reverse flash should get 4-B for ap too since his durability is 4-B
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Is it just because his durability is 4-B, or is it because he can fight people that can harm him?
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This is the original post about it. So no clue tbh
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Well, if he can fight people that can harm him, I agree with his AP being 4-B.
If it’s just “his dura scales, so his AP should too”, then I don’t agree.
If it’s just “his dura scales, so his AP should too”, then I don’t agree.
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Because a speedster’s AP and durability increase or decrease with the amount of SF they are using, they are always relative. So when Thawne has 4-B dura, he should also have 4-B AP (otherwise he’d be a speedster stone wall, that makes like 0 sense). And there’s no real reason to say he can’t use the IMP himself. And obviously Thawne can also harm people that can harm him.
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Been a while since I read his post crisis stuff, but I can vaguely remember him hurting flash and wonder woman (or was that Zoom?), but that doesn't qualify for 4-B.
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Would you mind providing examples of him doing so?
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That was Zoom. I mean he hurt Flash right before he got IMP’d iirc, but I’m not sure if he only used dura neg or not.
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What prevents you from saying that those characters are just 5-A when he fights them?
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If he has 4-B durability and they harm him, how would they be 5-A…
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Think of it like this, you’re asking me to prove that someone like Goku when he increases his ki to defend against a certain attack, that he would also have AP equivalent to his durability. By Goku getting hurt by people who he can harm while holding back.
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Check Prof Zoom’s page, then come back.
Unless we’re now assuming Prof Zoom doesn’t hold back and everyone becomes 4-B again? I’d be fine with that but I’m guessing a lot of people aren’t.
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I’ll apply the Zoom revisions with the logic that he’s equal to Wally I suppose.
Can the Lifting Strength be saved for a Part 2? That’s pretty unrelated to updating 4-B justifications and affects a lot of characters.
Can the Lifting Strength be saved for a Part 2? That’s pretty unrelated to updating 4-B justifications and affects a lot of characters.
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That doesn’t answer my question. Why can’t you just provide scans of what I asked for? You said he can fight people who can harm him, I’d just like to see examples of this.
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I don't think anyone accepted that?
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Wrong Zoom. Man this is getting confusing
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That isn’t Thawne?
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Ok who wants what in order to prove that Wally West, Barry Allen, Eobard Thawne and Hunter Zolomon scale to 4-B at peak for both dura and AP while somehow also having the (reverse) flashes at 5-A while holding back and at tier 8 while holding back even more. While also keeping some members of the league at 5-A while holding back and 4-B at peak?
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Ddddude kkkkknow how they ttttalk by nnnnow. Hold on I’m an idiot, 2 Reverse Flashes.
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What do you think about Superman's LS? He generally struggles with planet-moon level moving feats but he also scales to Lobo who has a Stellar class feat. I think at least Class Y, likely Stellar is a good solution.
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That seems fine to me, but isn’t Lobo really inconsistent?
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Yes, he basically varies from street level to Superman level from story to story.
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Mm, in that case, I’d probably make it ‘possibly Stellar’ instead of ‘likely.’
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Seems good
