Superman and Lois Tier 6 and MFTL+ Upgrades

[Dalesean027]

Hello peeps, we're back in business as usual with the 2 episode premier of season 4 of Superman and Lois having aired on Monday giving us the spectacular conclusion of the Superman Vs Doomsday fight we left with at the end of Season 3 which is a big part of the current upgrades.

This first blog acts as the crutch of the Speed Upgrades for the verse

Superman and Lois Calc compilation

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This second gives us our High 6-B upgrades as well as more MFTL support feats from the new episodes

Superman and Lois Calc compilation 2

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The base characters would be upgraded to 12389.0153701c (MFTL+) given the feats in the first blog with a 115.512011c (MFTL) Support feat coming in the second blog from the S4 premier. Solar Charged Superman's Attack Speed with shockwaves will become either 4.8387287e+15c (MFTL+) or 1.8145232e+17c (MFTL+) depending on whether we want to go with the 5 minute lowball or the 8 seconds we see for the onscreen feat. I'd say the second is probably safest to go with here. Speed the verses AP will be upgraded to High 6-B scaling from Superman's portion of the feat performed by both himself and Doomsday which yields 325.0311 Teratons of TNT (Large Country level) Per Character.


Now someone did make a Doomsday Profile about 2 days ago without really sharing in any threads here and I wanted to bring that here to seek opinions, it does require scans and is pretty barebones needing some work to be done but nonetheless its a good base to start from hence my overhaul of it here which fixes most all of my concerns. This fight also brings a significant stamina upgrade to both Superman and now Doomsday as well as when they first fought it was night time in Smallville and entire day had passed until night time the next day over when the fight is concluded and Doomsday immediately returns to Earth with Superman's corpse

Edit: After some comments from @ByArrow it seems that the universe would be infinite in size in Superman in Lois so Superman's Solar Amped shockwaves would be infinite speed and range instead of MFTL+ as we had here

 

[Testarossa002]

Question:
Would this new rating affect characters like Kara (Supergirl)?

 

[Dalesean027]

Question:
Would this new rating affect characters like Kara (Supergirl)?

no this show isn't connected to the other arrowverse shows, it is it's own universe

 

[ByArrow]

Since the universe is infinite, shouldn't Superman's shockwave that separates universes have infinite speed?

 

[Dalesean027]

Since the universe is infinite, shouldn't Superman's shockwave that separates universes have infinite speed?

we have no evidence the universe in SM&L is infinite, its not the same verse as the arrowverse after all

 

[ByArrow]

we have no evidence the universe in SM&L is infinite, its not the same verse as the arrowverse after all

Yes, they are not in the same universe, but they are in the same multiverse. And thanks to monitor and spectre's statements, universes are size is infinite

 

[Dalesean027]

Yes, they are not in the same universe, but they are in the same multiverse. And thanks to monitor and spectre's statements, universes are infinite in size.

no like SM&L is literally not in anyway connected to the arrowverse outside of just sharing some of the same actors so we can't use any of that, it'd be cool to have infinite speed Superman but unfortunately we can't

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'Superman & Lois' star Tyler Hoechlin and showrunners Todd Helbing and Brent Fletcher say the upcoming series finale will 'honor' the end of the Arrowverse.

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[ByArrow]

no like SM&L is literally not in anyway connected to the arrowverse outside of just sharing some of the same actors so we can't use any of that, it'd be cool to have infinite speed Superman but unfortunately we can't

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'Superman & Lois' star Tyler Hoechlin and showrunners Todd Helbing and Brent Fletcher say the upcoming series finale will 'honor' the end of the Arrowverse.

ew.com

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In the first interview he says they are not in the same Earth. That doesn't contradict what I already said. Call it Earth or universe, they are the same thing and S&L is not in Earth-Prime but in one of the post-Crisis Earth. Just like Supergirl was on Earth-38 in the beginning, it's just different universe, same multiverse.

it just felt like the best decision was to have our Superman & Lois not be on the same Earth as the Arrowverse."

In the second interview he says that they decided to be separate from the other arrowverse shows. Not that they're setting up a completely separate multiverse.

And in season 1, episode 12 and in season 2, episode 8, showed John and Natalie surviving the antimatter wave that destroyed the old multiverse and arriving in the new multiverse.

So yes, S&L is not set on Earth-Prime, but in a different universe.

 

[Dalesean027]

In the first interview he says they are not in the same Earth. That doesn't contradict what I already said. Call it Earth or universe, they are the same thing and S&L is not in Earth-Prime but in one of the post-Crisis Earth. Just like Supergirl was on Earth-38 in the beginning, it's just different universe, same multiverse.


In the second interview he says that they decided to be separate from the other arrowverse shows. Not that they're setting up a completely separate multiverse.

And in season 1, episode 12 and in season 2, episode 8, showed John and Natalie surviving the antimatter wave that destroyed the old multiverse and arriving in the new multiverse.

So yes, S&L is not set on Earth-Prime, but in a different universe.

I see it does seem to be the same exact color and effect for the crisis anti-matter waves looking at those again so it seems this could be the case as you said, that would also mean Superman's range is also upgraded to infinite with his shockwaves as well