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Super Saiyan God Multipler

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Antvasima said:
What would this mean in terms of tiering, and which staff members think what here?
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AwkguyDB said:
all tiering remains the same this just gives us an idea on how strong characters get past the BoG Goku Baseline.

DDM and Lord Griff agree with SSJG = our accepted multiplier for SSJ2/3 x our accepted multiplier SSJ2/3 due to SSJG Goku of the Battle of Gods arc being superior than Vegito at that time.
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AwkguyDB said:
Here is Lord Griffs

And here is DDM's
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@Elizhaa @Maverick_Zero_X @Starter_Pack @SamanPatou @DemonGodMitchAubin @Sir_Ovens

What do you think about this?
 
Here's the rundown for the multipliers and the justifications.

Base Goku: 1x
SS Goku: 50x (Super Saiyan has an established 50x multiplier)
SS 3rd Grade Goku: 500x (3rd Grade Super Saiyan is 10 times stronger than regular Super Saiyan or likely even 2nd Grade Super Saiyan which is stronger than regular Super Saiyan, this is already accepted)
SS2 and SS3 Goku: At least 500x (SS2 is stronger than SS 3G)
Base Vegito: At least 500x (Base Vegito is stronger than SS3 Goku)
SS Vegito: At least 25000x (Vegito can use SS obviously)
SS 3G/SS2/SS3 Vegito: At least 250000x (There is no reason to assume Vegito cannot use at least SS2, both fusees have access to the form. Gotenks also have shown the ability to use SS3 even though neither of the fusees can even use SS2.)
SSG Goku: At least 250000x (Goku felt more confident facing Beerus with SSG than fusing with Vegeta.)
 
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It kind of went off rails, I do agree that logically, a gap between a SSG's strength and a SSJ3's strength is greater than that of SSJ3's and base forms. And it was agreed on a previous that even at an absolute weakest, a SSJ2's raw power exceeds and Ultra Super Saiyan, which was stated to be 10x stronger than regular SSJ but has a speed less than the Ascended Grade 2 SSJ. So upon base forms surpassing how strong the SSG was previously, the SSG form is 250,000x stronger at minimum. With SSB basically being identical to a jump from base to SSJ1, thus 12,500,000x.

I am skeptical about applying the stuff like Vegito's SSJ form into the multiplier for UIS or UIM forms however given how fusions can often be quite random on how much stronger it makes them. Yes, the first time Goku went UIS and later UIM, he was stronger than SSJ Vegito, but when they became Gogeta in the Broly movie, even their base form was considered incredibly strong with SSJ form especially being stronger than UIM given he surpassed Broly who is stronger than Jiren.

Edit: I will also need to go to work soon. so won't be able to respond further until I get back at least.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
It kind of went off rails, I do agree that logically, a gap between a SSG's strength and a SSJ3's strength is greater than that of SSJ3's and base forms. And it was agreed on a previous that even at an absolute weakest, a SSJ2's raw power exceeds and Ultra Super Saiyan, which was stated to be 10x stronger than regular SSJ but has a speed less than the Ascended Grade 2 SSJ. So upon base forms surpassing how strong the SSG was previously, the SSG form is 250,000x stronger at minimum. With SSB basically being identical to a jump from base to SSJ1, thus 12,500,000x.

I am skeptical about applying the stuff like Vegito's SSJ form into the multiplier for UIS or UIM forms however given how fusions can often be quite random on how much stronger it makes them. Yes, the first time Goku went UIS and later UIM, he was stronger than SSJ Vegito, but when they became Gogeta in the Broly movie, even their base form was considered incredibly strong with SSJ form especially being stronger than UIM given he surpassed Broly who is stronger than Jiren.

Edit: I will also need to go to work soon. so won't be able to respond further until I get back at least.
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Don't worry, Ultra Instinct Omen and Mastered will maybe have their own thread in the future after a scaling blog is made but is crossed out completely in the OP. Thanks for your response DDM
 
Antvasima said:
I do not know.

@DarkDragonMedeus @LordGriffin1000

Can you explain a bit regarding why you agreed here please?
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My reasoning for agreeing is based on the OP which uses the already accepted SS3 having a 500× multiplier and base Vegito being superior to SS3 Goku and then SSG being superior to Vegito (pre-god ritual) who should have the capability going SS2 and even SS3 given he is capable of performing Goku and Vegeta's techniques (though Damage3245 prefers not to use this line of reasoning regarding Vegito having hypothetical transformations)

But even if we didn't add Vegito into the scaling DarkDragonMedus makes a valid point regarding his stance which I'll quote below.
DarkDragonMedeus said:
It kind of went off rails, I do agree that logically, a gap between a SSG's strength and a SSJ3's strength is greater than that of SSJ3's and base forms. And it was agreed on a previous that even at an absolute weakest, a SSJ2's raw power exceeds and Ultra Super Saiyan, which was stated to be 10x stronger than regular SSJ but has a speed less than the Ascended Grade 2 SSJ. So upon base forms surpassing how strong the SSG was previously, the SSG form is 250,000x stronger at minimum. With SSB basically being identical to a jump from base to SSJ1, thus 12,500,000x.

I am skeptical about applying the stuff like Vegito's SSJ form into the multiplier for UIS or UIM forms however given how fusions can often be quite random on how much stronger it makes them. Yes, the first time Goku went UIS and later UIM, he was stronger than SSJ Vegito, but when they became Gogeta in the Broly movie, even their base form was considered incredibly strong with SSJ form especially being stronger than UIM given he surpassed Broly who is stronger than Jiren.
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So if we want to be safe, sure you could remove Vegito but I personally don't have a problem with it.
 
So we have 3 agrees and two detail explanations going for this so does 48 hours application time go into effect or?
 
Ok if anyone is so kind we need a multipliers blog with all the accepted multipliers listed. also this can be closed
 
AwkguyDB said:
Ok if anyone is so kind we need a multipliers blog with all the accepted multipliers listed. also this can be closed
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just ask for @SSJRyu1 to update his blog, i already have a thread in the process of updating the speed based on the BoG feat recalc, wait that to finish, trust me, the new multipliers will have heavy contention, getting the simpler one out of the way first is better
 
omegabronic said:
just ask for @SSJRyu1 to update his blog, i already have a thread in the process of updating the speed based on the BoG feat recalc, wait that to finish, trust me, the new multipliers will have heavy contention, getting the simpler one out of the way first is better
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I agree though Ryu been inactive for a fat minute I think so we might just need a new one
 
AwkguyDB said:
I agree though Ryu been inactive for a fat minute I think so we might just need a new one
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I'd like to see what specifically would be added to the profiles, i.e. what the formatting is and who it would affect, before the CRT is applied.
 
since all the members of this applies to Tier 2 nobody is getting bumped from the tier just higher in their respective scaling
 
Damage3245 said:
I'd like to see what specifically would be added to the profiles, i.e. what the formatting is and who it would affect, before the CRT is applied.
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Basically the speed for basically everyone in dbs goes up from the 200ish septilions to quindecilions thanks to another recalc being applied rn in another thread
 
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