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Super Mario General Discussion Thread.

Might be just me but it feels like a lotta people focus too much on guides and such for the games that manuals tend to get ignored, Bowser has a clear cut statement of animal manipulation in the manual for SMW that's never been brought up afaik (The Reznors specifcally only work for him due to him placing a spell on them, or he cursed them I dunno working on getting an accurate tl for the japanese version to see if it's a normal spell or a curse).
 
Dust_Collector said:
So given the events of DK Bananza
Do you think the citizens and politicians of New Donk City have regular debates about whether or not it's ok for one of their streets to be named after K.Rool?
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This is like if you named a street in Iraq SADDAM AVENUE
 
ShakeResounding said:
It becomes another High 6-A feat? AND buffs the verse's AP? Holy Based, hopefully no more baseline hell.
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That reminds me, didn’t @Chariot190 mention once that a feat in Bananza (iirc the banana tower made by the Banandium Root) was also potentially pretty high? Idk if it’ll actually help for an upgrade, but for a franchise like Mario having a larger amount of impressive supporting feats is just as nice.
 
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Ghengiroo115 said:
That reminds me, didn’t @Chariot190 mention once that a feat in Bananza (iirc the banana tower made by the Banandium Root) was also potentially pretty high? Idk if it’ll actually help for an upgrade, but for a franchise like Mario having a larger amount of impressive supporting feats is just as nice.
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Dunno how long we're doing spoiler tags but I'll still play it safe.
Yeah I believe he mentioned DK and Pauline face tanking the banadium tower the root makes to drill up the surface could be a tier 6 feat (I think he said the feat for the root itself is tier 5 but surface area for how much of it actually hit them would take it down to somewhere in tier 6
 
Also just a quick question regarding accelerated development. I plan on adding it to Bowser when I finally finish my profile rework in the 2100s, specifically getting new abilities via leveling up in SMRPG where he learns new magic moves but I'm really on the fence about slapping physical statistics on there too.

Like obviously his stats go up throughout the games since it is an RPG, and the legend of the 7 stars remake even directly addresses it via the monster list. Making note of how an early game boss is an easy win for the main cast by the end game due to being far stronger by that point (In reference to claymore now being a normal enemy during the final part of the game instead of a major boss), but given the events of games like PIT and like half the Yoshi games we know that Bowser even after all the level ups is barely stronger than he was before given the baby versions of the characters are still comparable to them.

Unsure if he should have physical stats for AD given it's not him getting noticably stronger at a faster rate than is normal it's just him very slowly getting, like, 1% stronger or something I dunno. Like it doesn't come across as something that is beyond a normal person.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Dunno how long we're doing spoiler tags but I'll still play it safe.
Yeah I believe he mentioned DK and Pauline face tanking the banadium tower the root makes to drill up the surface could be a tier 6 feat (I think he said the feat for the root itself is tier 5 but surface area for how much of it actually hit them would take it down to somewhere in tier 6
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Oh whoops, I forgot to do that myself.

Yep that was it. I remember looking into it and thinking K. Rool with the Root should fully scale to that feat (which DK would downscale from), however I’d have to catch myself up on it to remind myself.
 
I think it is actually reasonable to assume given Bowser had to go back in time for a chance at finding the star children, the babies actually lost power and than regained power over time as adults?
 
Yoshi's Island DS has bowser go back in time to locate the 7 star children aka Mario, Luigi, Peach, Wario, Donkey Kong, Bowser, and a Yoshi presumably the main one. The power they possess would allow for the conquering of the universe. This power is from stars which exist within the baby's hearts. Kamek knew how to locate the stars and seems to have had time to check either bowser if he wished to. The game ends revealing who the star children are and it specifically refers to the star children as the baby versions of the characters. Admittedly that is probably in part because that's what they are all called in game but it would support the idea that bowser and the other current versions of the characters don't still have the star inside them the fact it was considered necessary to go back in time to find the babies also supports this I think.
 
I mean even assuming they lost the Stars as adults I don't think that means they got weaker. Is there anything indicating the babies were tapping into a signifcant amount of power from the stars or was it just they had them within them? Not to mention them getting significantly weaker as adults without them still wouldn't work given you have people like Kamek who's past self can fight the babies and the Yoshi's who can hold their own with adult Bowser.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
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Donkey Kong's Moon Punch, AGAIN!!

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Left a comment, let me know when you reply.
Ghengiroo115 said:
That reminds me, didn’t @Chariot190 mention once that a feat in Bananza (iirc the banana tower made by the Banandium Root) was also potentially pretty high? Idk if it’ll actually help for an upgrade, but for a franchise like Mario having a larger amount of impressive supporting feats is just as nice.
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In addition to that, there's also DK punching K.Rool into the sky, which does a pretty fast and potentially wide-range cloud wipe. Probably not high tier 6 but definitely tier 6.
 
Looking at that blogs comments and I gotta agree with Armor. As nice as it'd be to get out of baseline High 6-A I don't think we can use orbital speed for the same reasons we can't use the normal size/mass of the moon, in this specific cutscene it's treated as just a stationary object in the sky. It doesn't move and we can't really assume it's got an orbit on the basis of "it should be like real life" when it's also the size of an island and can be cartoonisly sprung up and then fall down slightly before staying put in it's original position, hard to say it specifically has
 
Dust_Collector said:
I mean even assuming they lost the Stars as adults I don't think that means they got weaker. Is there anything indicating the babies were tapping into a signifcant amount of power from the stars or was it just they had them within them? Not to mention them getting significantly weaker as adults without them still wouldn't work given you have people like Kamek who's past self can fight the babies and the Yoshi's who can hold their own with adult Bowser.
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After losing the power they had as infants they simply grew stronger again by the time they reached adulthood adults. Look there's a decent bit of evidence that the characters get stronger as the games go on and the main contradiction is the babies. It is one of the better explanation we have for the contradictions even if it's not air tight.
 
You guys know islands don't actually have a specific definition limiting their size, right? Australia is wider than the moon. Visual media generally isn't entirely accurate on account of the fact the creators don't check for scale and if they did it may interfere with the visuals. We chose what I understand to be an arbitrary size because it changes across parts of the cutscene (almost as if they didn't plan on it having a set size so much as they intended for it to be the moon).

The Moon moves about 15 degrees an hour across the sky and I think we see it in orbit along with the earth for about 4 seconds. 4 seconds is a 15th of a minute and a minute is a 60th of an hour. So in 1/900 of the time it takes to move 15 degrees it would move about about 0.0166... degrees. As our moon appears to be 0.5 degrees in diameter compared to the sky we would see it move less than 1/25 of its diameter and the moon in the cutscene probably is a few degrees larger.

It didn't return to it original position as it wasn't directly above the island when it when back up and it fell straight down when it hit the island.
 
Lou_change said:
You guys know islands don't actually have a specific definition limiting their size, right? Australia is wider than the moon. Visual media generally isn't entirely accurate on account of the fact the creators don't check for scale and if they did it may interfere with the visuals. We chose what I understand to be an arbitrary size because it changes across parts of the cutscene (almost as if they didn't plan on it having a set size so much as they intended for it to be the moon).

The Moon moves about 15 degrees an hour across the sky and I think we see it in orbit along with the earth for about 4 seconds. 4 seconds is a 15th of a minute and a minute is a 60th of an hour. So in 1/900 of the time it takes to move 15 degrees it would move about about 0.0166... degrees. As our moon appears to be 0.5 degrees in diameter compared to the sky we would see it move less than 1/25 of its diameter and the moon in the cutscene probably is a few degrees larger.

It didn't return to it original position as it wasn't directly above the island when it when back up and it fell straight down when it hit the island.
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Yeah, Armor attempt at debunk is full of flaws
 
I always love discussions about the moons size in Mario because it gives me a good reason to bring up how it's somehow both normal sized and only a few meters big in Yoshi's Island.
 
Crankys profile is genuinely a contender for top 10 best profiles on the wiki, esspecially that "Young (Donkey Kong Arcade)" key. Building level for one-shotting Mario "in his beginnings" and linking to Mario's profile and his High 6-A stats, Class 25 lifting strength for just randomly being comparable to Chunky Kong (Who is Class Y), his only justification for Building level durability being a calcuation that gets no higher than wall level results, the complete lack of anything from Donkey Kong '94 (Or even anything for his playable apperance in Tropical Freeze for his second key outside of his superhuman lifting strength for... lifting entire ships). This is what peak power scaling looks like.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Crankys profile is genuinely a contender for top 10 best profiles on the wiki, esspecially that "Young (Donkey Kong Arcade)" key. Building level for one-shotting Mario "in his beginnings" and linking to Mario's profile and his High 6-A stats, Class 25 lifting strength for just randomly being comparable to Chunky Kong (Who is Class Y), his only justification for Building level durability being a calcuation that gets no higher than wall level results, the complete lack of anything from Donkey Kong '94 (Or even anything for his playable apperance in Tropical Freeze for his second key outside of his superhuman lifting strength for... lifting entire ships). This is what peak power scaling looks like.
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Love the sarcasm there, friend.
 
Lou_change said:
You guys know islands don't actually have a specific definition limiting their size, right? Australia is wider than the moon. Visual media generally isn't entirely accurate on account of the fact the creators don't check for scale and if they did it may interfere with the visuals. We chose what I understand to be an arbitrary size because it changes across parts of the cutscene (almost as if they didn't plan on it having a set size so much as they intended for it to be the moon).

The Moon moves about 15 degrees an hour across the sky and I think we see it in orbit along with the earth for about 4 seconds. 4 seconds is a 15th of a minute and a minute is a 60th of an hour. So in 1/900 of the time it takes to move 15 degrees it would move about about 0.0166... degrees. As our moon appears to be 0.5 degrees in diameter compared to the sky we would see it move less than 1/25 of its diameter and the moon in the cutscene probably is a few degrees larger.

It didn't return to it original position as it wasn't directly above the island when it when back up and it fell straight down when it hit the island.
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Here is what @Armorchompy said in reply:

Islands don't have a definition limiting their size, but that was never an assumption in my calc. Besides the fact that Kong Island can be measured to be nowhere near Australia in size (its size is in a honestly fairly consistent ballpark, albeit a vague one), the temple is what the Moon is scaled in comparison to. You can assume it's bigger, but you can't really prove that assumption and thus you can't really justify its usage compared to a more conservative end.

(By the way, if you somehow proved that the moon was genuinely moon-sized, there'd be reason to just consider the entire feat illegitimate: KE feats are considered invalid if the showcased level of destruction is not consistent with their calculated yield, and this impact very much does not cause 5-C or higher kinds of damage)
 
well technically the KE point is fine because it hits the boss, not the island, that just means the boss can tank it
but the moon is also small af, like has anyone ever went frame by frame? because I have. DK is visible compared to the crater. Given how massive DK is, it's probably a few km but still.
 
We got SMRPG saying the Goombas seen in that game are tougher than most other members of their species, Bowsers special attacks in BIS revolving around using special squads of normal unnamed minions like Goombas / Koopas / Shy Guys / whoever else, same game also has a gang of nameless minions match Bowser in a contest of strength (Takes a dozen of them but still when dealing with someone like Bowser that's impressive), a normal Monty Mole in a tank is the boss of World 6 in NSMB and can withstand several direct hits from Mario / Luigi unlike a lot of other normal Monty Moles who go down in one, Brothership has Bowser actively call in unnamed minions as back up when fighting Mario and Luigi.

I dunno, I might be buying the varies rating agenda for the mooks. I can see their profiles ranging from building level for the average member of any given species and a continental high end for the stronger members that don't have any special position / higher rank. Never really considered it before since for ages the main cast was galaxy level and found the idea of even the strongest unnamed Dry Bones or whatever being on their level absurd, but now we're dealing with tier 6 ratings I might be seeing the vision.

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Want some opinions on this, should Bowser get limited sleep resistance this scene? It's pretty weird since he can clearly hear what Antasma says to him with 0 issues and have a conversation with him so he'd still have to be hearing the dreamnbeats from the speakers right next to him too, but he still had to cover his... ears? horns? (Do they double as ears) when they started playing.
 
That's what I initally thought but there's no indication he talks loud in that scene, or any louder than he normally talks anyway.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Want some opinions on this, should Bowser get limited sleep resistance this scene? It's pretty weird since he can clearly hear what Antasma says to him with 0 issues and have a conversation with him so he'd still have to be hearing the dreamnbeats from the speakers right next to him too, but he still had to cover his... ears? horns? (Do they double as ears) when they started playing.
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Possibly limited sleep resistance is fine with me
 
He does have a vocal tick where he screeches loudly but that's seperate from his normal speaking. He'll speak at normal volume and then sometimes just let out a really loud screech or loudly screech a specific word, but for the most part like when speaking to Bowser in that scene he's just talking normally.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Here is what @Armorchompy said in reply:

Islands don't have a definition limiting their size, but that was never an assumption in my calc. Besides the fact that Kong Island can be measured to be nowhere near Australia in size (its size is in a honestly fairly consistent ballpark, albeit a vague one), the temple is what the Moon is scaled in comparison to. You can assume it's bigger, but you can't really prove that assumption and thus you can't really justify its usage compared to a more conservative end.

(By the way, if you somehow proved that the moon was genuinely moon-sized, there'd be reason to just consider the entire feat illegitimate: KE feats are considered invalid if the showcased level of destruction is not consistent with their calculated yield, and this impact very much does not cause 5-C or higher kinds of damage)
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@Lou_change
 
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