Super Mario Bros: Major Revisions.

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Are they not comparable to the Lumas? They should be. The Lumas shouldn't be superior to Mario or anything.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Agreed, Luma's shouldn't be stronger than Mario or Bowser, otherwise an army of Lumas could easily stomp Bowser without Mario's help. Also, aren't Grand Stars also created by Lumas?

 

[Paleomario66]

Would Bowser with the Grand Star still be "at least 3-C", or would he get upgraded to Low 2-C, which is the Grand Star's high-end?

 

[TriforcePower1]

Agreed, Luma's shouldn't be stronger than Mario or Bowser, otherwise an army of Lumas could easily stomp Bowser without Mario's help. Also, aren't Grand Stars also created by Lumas?

Except that their AP is not combat applicable and most likely doesn't scale to SS.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Why wouldn't having the power to become galaxies be combat applicable?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I know what they're gonna day, which is that they just exist from that point on, even though:

We see Lumas being able to turn back from galaxies and go back to it.

A few hundred to a few thousand star bits have enough the power to turn them into galaxies.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

>gonna day

>enough the power

Cal you good? ovo

 

[Js250476]

Now your playing with power Cal power ovo

 

[Dark649]

Would Bowser with the Grand Star still be "at least 3-C", or would he get upgraded to Low 2-C, which is the Grand Star's high-end?

At least 3-C would be better.

 

[Paleomario66]

Why would it be better?

 

[Dark649]

Because he should be not that higher from Mario, who is 3-C during the fight.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

Since this is a Mario upgrade thread I thought I'd toss in a feat that upgrades the cast to definitely MFTL and not just likely



Mario Strikers Charged - Bowser (me) vs Petey Classic Bowser Stadium

All captains are capable of jumping onto and sticking the landing at Bowser Stadium which is clearly moving at MFTL speeds throughout space, indicated by the stars it's zooming past.

This feat can be done by Mario, Luigi, Wario, Peach, Yoshi, Waluigi, Daisy, Bowser Jr, Donkey Kong, Diddy, and Petey Pirahna. As a result this likely also scales to speedster characters like Toads and such.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

Also because I saw this earlier in the thread I just wanted to point this out. The Star Child Donkey Kong is the modern day one. The fact that Mario supposedly fights Donkey Kong's Grandpa and Dad at an age realistically far before the modern DK was born, while still somehow being the same age as the modern DK as shown by Yoshi's Island DS, is a major plothole Nintendo has yet to explain. The best explanation I can give is that the original Donkey Kong has been retconned twice so that the DK who kidnapped Pauline actually is the modern DK (backed up by the majority of the Mario vs Donkey Kong series), and Donkey Kong Jr has just been retconned to the point of never actually happening (which makes sense given it paints Mario as an animal abuser, which Nintendo doesn't want)

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Mario is explainably inconsistent and probably can have Cranky and Donkey Kong both simultaneously exist at the same age as Mario while being separate ages because of the roles Mario plays in the stories he interacts with them in.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

that too, but it's no fun to answer all the Mario plotholes with "no one cared enough to give it a coherent storyline" lol

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

If we're tying everything together for the sake of entertainment in a way where it doesn't crack the scaling, then I do have some ideas, like time travel or something cliche like that, which is likely, considering Mario's actions in the recent Yoshi's Island games.

 

[The_Smashor]

@HomestuckLover1

In the intro cutscene of the game it's shown that the characters basically skydive out of a plane or airship or something similar. As such, it's the Airship with that speed, not the characters themselves.


Mario Strikers Charged Intro

 

[ArceusBowser44]

@HomestuckLover1
In the intro cutscene of the game it's shown that the characters basically skydive out of a plane or airship or something similar. As such, it's the Airship with that speed, not the characters themselves.


Mario Strikers Charged Intro

That still scales to their reaction speed.

 

[The_Smashor]

No, it dosn't. Falling does not mean that you can react faster. By that logic skydivers have Subsonic reaction speed since they can fall at 49 meters per second.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

That's not even what i'm saying. What i'm saying is, the characters can fall from the sky at speed that fast and still know what they are able of moving their body as they want/still being able to move their body on their own.

It's not like Skydivers are capable of doing what they want while they fall. They are literally suspended in the air and cannot move at all. At best, they can move their fingers a bit to open the parachute. On the other hand, Mario and Bowser can fully see the things around them, and Bowser (while falling) even moved his body in a erected position to land well.

 

[ArceusBowser44]

I may be wrong though, so i'll wait for the others's opinion.

 

[GyroNutz]

Mario's speed is already scaled to doing actions after being shot by the bye-bye cannon, I don't see how this is any different. This should be fine

 

[ArceusBowser44]

^This is also true.

 

[QuasiYuri]

So is mario tier: High 4-C to 3-C to 2-B with pure hearts and abilities from paper mario page? Also mario Is resistance to Probability Manipulation with the Feeling fine badge as well

I only see resistance to poison, sleep, electricity, size, stats debuffing, and OHKO thing.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

Its Dizzyness effect from Paper Mario Thousand Year door. And the Feeling fine badge is unaffected by that

 

[GyroNutz]

dizzyness isn't probability manipulation.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Dizzy isn't probabily manipulation. It's clearly just be stunned.

 

[QuasiYuri]

But there are badges who give probability manipulation, like Lucky Day and Close Call.

Also, someone know whatthis badge effect would be?

 

[GyroNutz]

looks like game mechanics to me, i dont think it can really be defined as an ability

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

When Mario's attacked, causes enemies to miss more often. Which is similar to Probability manipulation

 

[GyroNutz]

you've lost me. is there an in-game reason or implication for enemies to miss more often?

 

[HomestuckLover1]

@The Smashor That doesn't mean anything. They would still have to send themselves forward at the same speed as the stadium in order to land on it, not to mention stick the landing and not tumble back when landing down.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

So yea, the Striker feat is still up on the table for making the general cast MFTL. I say use it and apply it accordingly

 

[Dark649]

It needs to be calced before saying its MFTL and should not be applied at first glance like the black hole feat.

 

[HomestuckLover1]

It doesn't really need to be calced for it to obviously be MFTL though. It's just a question of whether it's MFTL+ or not.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I would like to mention that in Super Mario Run, MArio was able to keep up with the clown cart. The same clown cart that flew to the sun in a short time in Mario Party 8.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Oh, it also was keeping up with the Mini-stars as they were making their way back to their places in the universe.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Is this a good feat?

 

[Dark649]

Waluigi and Daisy should be upgraded with the rest of tier 4 characters if their speed is upgraded.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Waluigi at the very least, this is the second time he's portrayed as a formidable villain.