Super Holy Water (Dragon Ball)

[AwkguyDB]

4x has my agreement FRA

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Are there enough agreements to finalize the revisions?

 

[omegabronic]

Are there enough agreements to finalize the revisions?

well, @Damage3245 and @KingTempest seen to agree with it being 3x, @LordGriffin1000 agrees with 3 times, but if the majority agrees with 4x he wouldn't complain with that being applied, and @DarkDragonMedeus seens to agree with the thread's op, which proposes 3x as lowball and 4 times as high ball, so i guess the multiplier accepted is 3x, unless you want to wait a little more for 4x to be accepted however

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

The x4 arguments weren't there when da staff voted, probably gotta contact em again

 

[CloverDragon03]

I'd propose that this be used as a 4x multiplier. The reason I say this is because we use "several" as a multiplier of at least 3x, and several is defined as "more than two, but less than many," which indicates that "many" is a greater quantity than "several."

 

[AwkguyDB]

This needs to be added to the multiplier pages I'm sure more verses can use this

 

[Damage3245]

Japanese translator, speaker, and current resident Cipher (@Cipher_db) clarifies, though, 何倍 "[implies] 'more than twice as much,'

Apparently the original Japanese indicates "more than twice as much"?

Which looks like it'd be safer to go with 3x here.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Apparently the original Japanese indicates "more than twice as much"?

Which looks like it'd be safer to go with 3x here.

I don’t see how that makes 3x more reasonable? More then twice can be either 3x or 4x

 

[Damage3245]

I don’t see how that makes 3x more reasonable? More then twice can be either 3x or 4x

If more than twice can be 3x or 4x, then my vote goes towards 3x.

 

[AwkguyDB]

@DarkDragonMedeus @LordGriffin1000 your thoughts on the current propsal?

 

[DivineAura44]

Japanese translator, speaker, and current resident Cipher (@Cipher_db) clarifies, though, 何倍 "[implies] 'more than twice as much,

If this is true than it should be just 2x imo. More than 2x doesn't mean at least 3. He could have gotten a 2.25 or 2.5x boost. The fact it doesn't say 3x outright is suspicious imo. That's just my take on it. 3x is still a good estimate but 2x would be better (you'd have to put "at least" before the tier tho to clarify that it is not just 2x.)

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

I mean,

According to this thread on the Kanzenshuu forums, the kanji used in the original Japanese dialogue is "nanbai" (何倍), which literally translates into "manyfold".

The Daizenshuu 2 describes the Super Holy Water as being able to "multiply one's power many times".

 

[DivineAura44]

Just saying, either "at least 2x" or "4x" works for me. I just don't see a world in which 3x is the best. If Cipher is correct than it should be the former tho.

 

[pineappleman]

I think you may have gotten the names mixed up. 'Super Holy Water' or 'Ultra Divine Water' is the legitimate magical poison drink that Goku drank before fighting King Piccolo, giving him a big power boost on it's own and almost killing him in the process.
'Sacred Water' is what you're referring to him drinking here, the tap water.

 

[Emerald]

There's also the DB website

[Weekly ☆ Character Showcase #104: Goku from the Red Ribbon Army Arc!] | DRAGON BALL OFFICIAL SITE

Goku - Red Ribbon Army Arc - The Weekly ☆ Character Showcase is an art

en.dragon-ball-official.com

Determined to close the difference in power between himself and Taopaipai, Goku climbs Karin Tower to obtain the Super Holy Water, a substance said to be able multiply the power of those who drink it!
Goku does manage to increase his power many times over, but it isn't because he drank the Super Holy Water—it was the result of the vigorous training he had undergone in order to obtain it from Master Karin in the first place!

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I think you may have gotten the names mixed up. 'Super Holy Water' or 'Ultra Divine Water' is the legitimate magical poison drink that Goku drank before fighting King Piccolo, giving him a big power boost on it's own and almost killing him in the process.
'Sacred Water' is what you're referring to him drinking here, the tap water.

uh

Apparently the original Japanese indicates "more than twice as much"?

Cipher says the word "implies more than twice".
Besides that, Daizenshuu 7, Daizenshuu 2, DRAGON BALL LANDMARK, and Kakarot's Z-Encyclopedia all say "many times".
Of course, I'd have to go through and sift for the original Japanese text, though.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

I agree with 4x.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The Daizenshuu 2 uses nanbai, whereas the Daizenshuu 7 uses suubai, which directly translates into "several times".
The Hong Kong version of DRAGON BALL FOREVER uses shùbèi (數倍), which is "several-fold", too. Which sucks.

That leaves us with a 3x multiplier. Or 4x. Or 7x? 4x-7x? 5x? 5x-6x and above?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I jest, of course. 3x is the safest option.

 

[Damage3245]

I jest, of course. 3x is the safest option.

Okay. Looks like we should go with that.

 

[Nierre]

yup yup

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Shouldn't Speed be affected by this, too? Considering...

• Initially, Goku only managed to ascend Karin's Tower after a day. After his first day, though, he managed to ascend the tower in three hours.
• Before training, Tao tanked his Kamehameha and nearly ended his life with his Dodon Ray. After training, he trumped Tao, even tanking his Dodon Ray.
• On day one, Karin easily trumped over Goku, even besting his Afterimage Attack. On day three, he successfully caught up to Karin and retrieved the water.

...part of his results were increased speed?

 

[Damage3245]

On day one, Karin easily trumped over Goku, even besting his Afterimage Attack.

This doesn't show Korin beating his Afterimage trick. Doesn't he attack the wrong Goku?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

This doesn't show Korin beating his Afterimage trick. Doesn't he attack the wrong Goku?

I was missing a scan.

 

[Damage3245]

I was missing a scan.

Fair enough. But although Goku is faster than before, I don't know if that means we can assume he was 3x faster.

 

[Nierre]

Neutral on speed.

 

[Spinoirr]

Fair enough. But although Goku is faster than before, I don't know if that means we can assume he was 3x faster.

Given how speed is tied to one's power in dragon ball

It should probably be affected as he finally caught up to Korin

 

[omegabronic]

Given how speed is tied to one's power in dragon ball

It should probably be affected as he finally caught up to Korin

unless we prove that it is proportional then i don't think we could

 

[Nullflowerblush]

bump

 

[Damage3245]

bump

I think it can be applied / closed now.

Unless you want more input on the speed part.

 

[AwkguyDB]

I think it can be applied / closed now.

Unless you want more input on the speed part.

3x is accepted right?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Unless you want more input on the speed part.

Speed can be handled at a later date; the manga only uses the word "strength" in regards to the Super Holy Water, which makes arguing a proportionate speed increase more difficult than if they had used "power".

Anyway, the profiles that need to be opened are:

Son Goku (Dragon Ball)
Krillin
Yamcha
Tien Shinhan
Chiaotzu
Master Roshi
Chi-Chi (Dragon Ball)
Yajirobe
Grandpa Gohan
King Chappa
Staff Officer Black
Major Metallitron
Buyon
Master Shen
Nam
Spike the Devil Man
Bandages the Mummy
Colonel Silver
Pirate Robot

 

[Damage3245]

3x is accepted right?

Yes.

 

[Damage3245]

Speed can be handled at a later date; the manga only uses the word "strength" in regards to the Super Holy Water, which makes arguing a proportionate speed increase more difficult than if they had used "power".

Anyway, the profiles that need to be opened are:

Most of those aren't locked.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Just a reminder, at the time, Post-Korin tier characters scale to 12.1701771 Tons (8-B), and Beginning of Series characters scale to 1.21701771 Tons (8-C+).

 

[Nullflowerblush]

All the unlocked pages have been revised. The only pages remaining are Goku and Chi-Chi.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Nullflowerblush/Dragon Ball Sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

Is this an acceptable revision of Goku's AP justification?

 

[Dalesean027]

Nullflowerblush/Dragon Ball Sandbox

vsbattles.fandom.com

Is this an acceptable revision of Goku's AP justification?

Works for me

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Always remember to put the references after the "," and "."

 

[Nullflowerblush]

UGH THAT'S SO ******* STUPID I HATE THAT SO MUCH IT'S SO UGLY