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Sun Goddess vs Death Mage
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Zeref scales to 2.7 yotatons. He does have semi passive desth hax. He is cured with immortality. Don't know about fear hax. His first move is to rest time. Speed is equalized.
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So, Althena would be higher than him since she scale above Leviathan that already 1.33x above baseline 5-A plus her static boost.
Depend on how good this passive is? Althena resistance to death hax and fear hax is more than 10 layers scaling above Nevia which rule over death, curse and darkness which put her 1+9 from basic ranks (start from Elementary rank, Mid rank, High rank, superior rank, Monarch rank, Saint rank, Quasi-god rank, Demi-god rank and god rank) and from there scaling chains via difference in divinity.
Okay so there will be no blitz. She have passive madness hax, fear hax and paralysis inducement (all of these also layers btw). She also have passive aura which can knock train soldiers unconscious and even the likes of demon lords. She can deal with his immortality. His mid godly regeneration might not be problem perhaps since she can just summon Angels to devour target soul +purification which remove any impurities, curse and memories. Also, this cause mind break to the person. She can nullify Zeref attack and power excluding his CM (assuming if he can use one) and also bypass defence that he had with Invincible Time. This power null also 10 layers and more and she also has resistance for such on the same level.
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Actually his 5-A form is now 5.52 yottatons
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zeref can`t counter those.
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I see. So at the very least he had Ap advantage over her. Is there anything else?
also, how far does the distance between the opponents?
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Because of the way Zeref's magic works in this key, his magic is fully merged with the magic form the space between time and fairy heart, which makes it both infinite and conceptual in nature. So unless she has layered resistance to conceptual manipulation she can't resist his hax, his fear and paralysis hax is passive btw but the range isn't anything crazy. He also has passive conceptual time rewind and immortality type 8 based on a concept that resides in a different dimension so unless she has some way of negating that, she simply can't permanently affect him
These get negged by passive time rewind
same with this
his mid godly scales to the curse itself as well as his memories due to various forms of EE in the verse targeting mind and memories which Zeref can come back from. And once again passive time rewind negs it anyways.
She would need better concept manipulation to be able to negate and resist his magic as it exists on a conceptual level thanks to the Space between time's magic.
Now what can Althena do about being conceptually erased via the neo eclipse?
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Due to possessing the fairy heart and the space between time, Zeref has full control over time space on a conceptual scale, its an always on state that rewinds anything done to his body or immediate surroundings till he's put into a state that was unaffected by said ability. He essentially is passively bringing past to the present via rewinding it.
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Okaay. Normally, she can deal with that kind of ability when battling against being who use fate hax and space-time hax but because of it is conceptual she may unable to do anything to it. I am not sure how useful truly this is since it seem to be cm 2. Also, unless I am mistaken isn’t his cm only for space time hax and EE? At least from the description.
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Fairy Heart Zeref actually scales to 22.08 Yottatons
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The type really doesn't matter in this case as she lacks the ability to interact with concepts
Due to the way magic works in fairy tail, he absorbed both the power from the space between time and the fairy heart, meaning he has an infinite magic supply. all spells utilize ethernano stored within mages. The Space between times power mixing with an infinite source of ethernano would change part of the infinite magic to conceptual. But part of infinity is still infinity so essentially he can't run out of either magic source when in possession of both.
to summarize, since Zeref's magic pulls from the same source of magic as both the SBT and FH, all of his magic is now on a conceptual level as there is only one storage of magic within ones body to pull from, Zeref's just so happens to be infinite thanks the the Fairy Heart in this key.
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I don’t know why infinite mana matter much here since all god possess Anima. Anima (Divinity) > Ether (purified version of mana)> Mana. Where any finite amount of Anima > Infinite Mana in general. The only problem here is the fact that she can’t deal with concept.
This doesn’t matter much here but she technically scale to 14.34 Yottatons so Zeref still higher it seem.
also, what is the range of his passive? Is the distance between the two is short or long?
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my point about Zeref's infinite magic is just that he his conceptual magic is also infinite due to being apart of infinity, which scales to his other magic.
Yeah but AP doesn't really matter in a hax battle like this anyways
his passive fear and paralysis hax is only about a few meters, his time rewind is a defensive ability so it's range doesn't really matter. His death hax and other magic is hundreds of kilometers, and Neo Eclipse is universal in range.
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Does the conceptual magic also apply to his resistances as well? Like all his resistance (e.g fear, death, paralysis, mind, curse) now become conceptual that only CM can bypass his resistances. If not, her passives should still work.
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They don't amp his own resistances, but Zeref just rewinds himself to a point before they battled and would be unaffected by them
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So, this fight basically passive vs passive then? His passive rewind work well against action based attack but when meet with other passives it now become paradox.
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Unless her passives can reach into the past and bypass his type 1 acausality then, Zeref's passive rewind wins out in the end and she'd be unable to do anything to him.
Zeref should easily take this
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I don’t think that how passive work in general. Passive mean it always there which mean there no first action to last action because it always active.
well, even ignoring that. As far am I concern, only order of god which affect mind, body and soul transcend time in general (in which even you go to the past where the action shouldn’t yet to be perform, it still affect you regardless)
