Street level+ Teenager vs Street level+ Detective (Ayanokouji Kiyotaka vs Sherlock Holmes) (5-2-0)

[ThePrimalHunter]

Ayanokouji Kiyotaka (Classroom Of The Elite) vs Sherlock Holmes (BBC)

Ground Rules:

• Current Ayanokouji is used
• Ayano's 9-C+ durability is being used
• Speed is equal
• Fight takes place in a large high school
• They start on opposite ends of the school with no line-of-sight
• Sherlock only has his magnifying glass

Ayanokouji is >13.2 KJ
Sherlock Holmes is 14.6 KJ
Sherlock has a <1.11x AP advantage

Who Wins?

Anime: 5 (Doggo, XxZetsuxX, Inferno3054, RoggerReggor, DeltaStriker22)
British TV: 2 (Flashlight237, ByArrow)
Incon: 0 ()

 

[Flashlight237]

Okay, so from what I'm seeing first, at first, it would seem like Holmes has the advantage, although the AP advantage here is basically the difference between a 140 lb person and a 155 lb person, which a martial artist under any circumstance can work around. He's got everything made in the skill department.

Upon closer inspection, Ayanokouji's a little weird. Aside from the keys being practically pointless (There's only one stat rating across the board, so what's the point?). Looking into the profiles and the ability page, I think it's safe to say that Ayanokouji can catch up pretty quickly thanks to accelerated development and technique mimicry, which I feel is the most important thing about him aside from the five martial arts styles taught by the White Room. Holmes' memory manipulation likely wouldn't help him either since Ayanokouji's perfect memory means he can recall anything as if he just saw them. Such memory, combined with Ayanokouji's accelerated development would practically render Holmes' memory manipulation moot.

Speed is a little finicky. I looked into the taxi feat as one of the justifications. I think a good rule of thumb for residential road speed is, in this case since they're in Britain, 40 km/h (11.111 m/s), which is crummy at first. However, Holmes can react to stimuli within 3.333 milliseconds. Even though Holmes isn't a Keith Liddell, one could reasonably assume a punch from a trained boxer or martial artist is around 11.111 m/s. Whatever punch Ayanokouji would attempt would have only needed to move 3.7 cm before Holmes could process and thus dodge the move. A punch from Holmes, on the other hand, would be guaranteed to land since Ayanokouji would've needed another 0.1 seconds to process the idea of him being hit (3.3 milliseconds for Holmes to calculate plus another 63 ms for a punch to fly 70 cm means Holmes is practically guaranteed to hit at least once).

Social Influencing wouldn't work for either side of the table. Holmes because his profile indicates that mind games won't work on him, and Ayanokouji because of the shit they put him through in the White Room.

Thinking about it all... Hmm... Despite Ayanokouji's skills most likely canceling out whatever skills Holmes had, in the end, I think Holmes would be able to take this, if only because his reaction time allows him a sort of advantage over Ayanokouji in the speed department.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Okay, so from what I'm seeing first, at first, it would seem like Holmes has the advantage, although the AP advantage here is basically the difference between a 140 lb person and a 155 lb person, which a martial artist under any circumstance can work around. He's got everything made in the skill department.

Upon closer inspection, Ayanokouji's a little weird. Aside from the keys being practically pointless (There's only one stat rating across the board, so what's the point?). Looking into the profiles and the ability page, I think it's safe to say that Ayanokouji can catch up pretty quickly thanks to accelerated development and technique mimicry, which I feel is the most important thing about him aside from the five martial arts styles taught by the White Room. Holmes' memory manipulation likely wouldn't help him either since Ayanokouji's perfect memory means he can recall anything as if he just saw them. Such memory, combined with Ayanokouji's accelerated development would practically render Holmes' memory manipulation moot.

Speed is a little finicky. I looked into the taxi feat as one of the justifications. I think a good rule of thumb for residential road speed is, in this case since they're in Britain, 40 km/h (11.111 m/s), which is crummy at first. However, Holmes can react to stimuli within 3.333 milliseconds. Even though Holmes isn't a Keith Liddell, one could reasonably assume a punch from a trained boxer or martial artist is around 11.111 m/s. Whatever punch Ayanokouji would attempt would have only needed to move 3.7 cm before Holmes could process and thus dodge the move. A punch from Holmes, on the other hand, would be guaranteed to land since Ayanokouji would've needed another 0.1 seconds to process the idea of him being hit (3.3 milliseconds for Holmes to calculate plus another 63 ms for a punch to fly 70 cm means Holmes is practically guaranteed to hit at least once).

Social Influencing wouldn't work for either side of the table. Holmes because his profile indicates that mind games won't work on him, and Ayanokouji because of the shit they put him through in the White Room.

Thinking about it all... Hmm... Despite Ayanokouji's skills most likely canceling out whatever skills Holmes had, in the end, I think Holmes would be able to take this, if only because his reaction time allows him a sort of advantage over Ayanokouji in the speed department.

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[Doggo]

I'm voting for Kiyotaka here.

His feats of skill are more impressive than Holmes's, and his AD and ANPR make it more favorable for him. While Holme's reactions are undoubtedly better, Kioyotaka will eventually grow faster and predict all his moves. Kiyopon also has the LS advantage, better stamina feats, and knows a wider variety of martial arts.

 

[Vzearr]

Interesting! Whenever they find each other, Holmes wouldn't be able to get the oos advantage as Koji has enhanced awareness. Koji is more skilled and Holmes likely wouldn't be able to land a hit due to his ANPR. His AD would also help, not dramatically though. I think Ayanokouji also has an advantage with his resistance to ANPR, and his LS advantage. I also think Kiyo has an advantage as if Holmes were to land a hit or two, it wouldn't hurt him much as he scales to 49.3 KJ, and he also has great stamina. So lets assume Holmes were to hit him multiple times, and the fight were to last a few minutes before Ayanokouji got a grip of Holmes and submitted him or eventually adapted and landed some hits on him, I think Ayanokouji could last through whatever Holmes has to throw at him.

 

[azontr]

Holmes deduces that actually a boomerang did it and stunlocks Ayanokouji into brain death

 

[Flashlight237]

I also think Kiyo has an advantage as if Holmes were to land a hit or two, it wouldn't hurt him much as he scales to 49.3 KJ

Since when? The highest calc for the verse is this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...lbert_runs_super_fast:_Classroom_of_the_Elite

 

[Vzearr]

Since when? The highest calc for the verse is this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:RoggerReggor/Kouenji_lifts_a_wild_boar_+_Albert_runs_super_fast:_Classroom_of_the_Elite

His durability.

 

[Flashlight237]

His durability.

Yeah, no. It's more like 13.2 kJ regardless. That 49.3 kJ rating has no backing material supporting it. The linked scaling reference is a character with an AP rating of 4.6 kJ. That and I tried to get self-harming scaling in a Staff Thread and that just got rejected for circular scaling, so uh, no. He doesn't get 49.3 kJ due to lack of support for the rating.

 

[ByArrow]

Sherlock FRA

Sherlock also has a weapon advantage here as he has his standard equipment.

 

[Vzearr]

Yeah, no. It's more like 13.2 kJ regardless. That 49.3 kJ rating has no backing material supporting it. The linked scaling reference is a character with an AP rating of 4.6 kJ. That and I tried to get self-harming scaling in a Staff Thread and that just got rejected for circular scaling, so uh, no. He doesn't get 49.3 kJ due to lack of support for the rating.

The scaling chain is messed up but I'm 90 percent sure he scales. @XxZetsuxX @RoggerReggor can y'all confirm, I'm not into inverse stuff.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I'm voting for Kiyotaka here.

His feats of skill are more impressive than Holmes's, and his AD and ANPR make it more favorable for him. While Holme's reactions are undoubtedly better, Kioyotaka will eventually grow faster and predict all his moves. Kiyopon also has the LS advantage, better stamina feats, and knows a wider variety of martial arts.

Sherlock FRA

Sherlock also has a weapon advantage here as he has his standard equipment.

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[ThePrimalHunter]

His durability.

I changed the match so that we're only using his 9-C+ durability

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Ok, So for starters, If a character has a "Possibly" or "Likely" rating in their stats section, Unless you restrict that key like the what the OP just did, The 9-B key is automatically used

This applies to their abilities as well, If they have for example "Possibly/Likely" fire manipulation, They can use said power unless the OP restricts it

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Now, I will mention this regarding Sherlock;

Standard Equipment: Magnifying glass, Whip, Sword, Spray, some Firearms

We need to do something about this, You can't fully restrict optional equipment but you can choose just 1 of the equipment so Sherlock doesn't have all of his equipment

I would recommend the magnifying glass only so Koji can use his barehands

But if you want to make this match with weapons, Then Sword for Sherlock and Baton (or knife) for Koji

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Now for the matchup;

Martial arts - Koji completely curbstomps the crap out of sherlock that it's not even funny, I very much so doubt he will be even be able to lay a single hit on Koji due to the sheer gap between, And the gaps widens even more if we include Koji's ANPR which Koji can also replicate to an extent Sherlocks ANPR of "predicting stuff" with sheer mental calcs, That and alot more

LS - One grab from Koji and it's also game over

Stamina - Koji completely curbstomps here as well, Koji can and probably will outlast easily Sherlock

Pressure Points - I believe Koji also takes the advantage here, He has showned alot of knowledge regarding these as well as used them in alot of fights

Koji is way more skilled than Ichika who can also hide her presences too, So another point to Koji via sneak attacks

Also, Koji counters information analysis, He feeds his opponents false information via giving them false habits, timings etc etc, He did it with someone who was able to cold read 99% of Koji's mind

Koji also has fear inducement via SI which can stun him, Has Sherlock ever faced someone with fear inducement on Koji's level?

My vote goes for Koji as well

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The scaling chain is messed up but I'm 90 percent sure he scales. @XxZetsuxX @RoggerReggor can y'all confirm, I'm not into inverse stuff.

Kouenji scales to his 13,2 KJ feat, All of cote profiles are outdated (Except Koji kinda, He is just a tiny bit outdated, There calcs who have yet to upgrade him in AP and LS and there are also some missing justifications for him in his profile)

Koji also scales to Kouenji's 49 KJ dura feat as well

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Now for the matchup;

Martial arts - Koji completely curbstomps the crap out of sherlock that it's not even funny, I very much so doubt he will be even be able to lay a single hit on Koji due to the sheer gap between, And the gaps widens even more if we include Koji's ANPR which Koji can also replicate to an extent Sherlocks ANPR of "predicting stuff" with sheer mental calcs, That and alot more

LS - One grab from Koji and it's also game over

Stamina - Koji completely curbstomps here as well, Koji can and probably will outlast easily Sherlock

Pressure Points - I believe Koji also takes the advantage here, He has showned alot of knowledge regarding these as well as used them in alot of fights

Koji is way more skilled than Ichika who can also hide her presences too, So another point to Koji via sneak attacks

Also, Koji counters information analysis, He feeds his opponents false information via giving them false habits, timings etc etc, He did it with someone who was able to cold read 99% of Koji's mind

Koji also has fear inducement via SI which can stun him, Has Sherlock ever faced someone with fear inducement on Koji's level?

My vote goes for Koji as well

Vote counted

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Standard Equipment: Magnifying glass, Whip, Sword, Spray, some Firearms

I forgot Sherlock has guns, that might make this a bit unfair

I'll just equip him with the magnifying glass

 

[Inferno3054]

Koji FRA via Zetsu's reasoning

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Koji FRA via Zetsu's reasoning

Vote counted

 

[RoggerReggor]

Ayanokouji FRA.

The scaling chain is messed up but I'm 90 percent sure he scales. @XxZetsuxX @RoggerReggor can y'all confirm, I'm not into inverse stuff.

Zetsu confirmed above, and I agree with him.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Ayanokouji FRA.

Vote counted

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Koji FRA.
Aside from the AP advantage there is nothing in Sherlock's favor here.
Ayanokoji would destroy him in h2h combat.

 

[Vzearr]

Koji also has fear inducement via SI which can stun him, Has Sherlock ever faced someone with fear inducement on Koji's level?

No he doesn't, its social influencing. Anyways, I still vote Ayanokouji even with the change to durability.

 

[Doggo]

It's funny how these two characters known for their geniuses are pitted in a physical brawl

Is someone interested in making an intelligence-based fight? That would make for a cool discussion

 

[XxZetsuxX]

No he doesn't, its social influencing. Anyways, I still vote Ayanokouji even with the change to durability.

It's fear inducement via natural means, It's still stuns unless you strong willpower (supernatural willpower isnt needed though)

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Koji FRA.
Aside from the AP advantage there is nothing in Sherlock's favor here.
Ayanokoji would destroy him in h2h combat.

Vote counted

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Vote counted

Vzear also voted Koji btw

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Zetsu pointed out many of the reasons why Koji curb stomps this match and I agree but I will also add to that.

First since they start out of line of sight, nothing is stopping Koji from attacking Sherlock from stealth. Despite his higher reaction speed he doesn’t have any sensory ability or any way to defend against a blind spot attack. On the other hand Koji has been shown on multiple occasions to be able to detect the presence of people around him and conceal his own. Given that he could detect Kushida from considerable distance in a forested environment while engaged in combat he would have no issue here.

Then in an actual fight even with Sherlock somehow having the AP and Reaction speed advantage (which honestly makes no sense whatsoever but that is a discussion for another time) this is such a massive skill stomp that doesn’t even matter. Sherlock doesn’t have anything above basic martial arts ability (if that) and he has no defense against the pressure point attack anyway.

Also as Zetsu mentioned Koji can just outlast with a stamina advantage or he can win via a grab with his LS advantage.

Koji has too many wincons and I don’t see any for Sherlock here tbh.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Grace

 

[DeltaStriker22]

Is someone interested in making an intelligence-based fight? That would make for a cool discussion

Ask and you shall recieve.

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Yeah, no. It's more like 13.2 kJ regardless. That 49.3 kJ rating has no backing material supporting it. The linked scaling reference is a character with an AP rating of 4.6 kJ. That and I tried to get self-harming scaling in a Staff Thread and that just got rejected for circular scaling, so uh, no. He doesn't get 49.3 kJ due to lack of support for the rating.

Just confirmed that the 49kj value is on his page with the calc scaling to Kouenji jumping off a cliff. The calc (to my knowledge) appears to have been accepted to I don’t see why it wouldn’t be used.

Additionally as Zetsu mentioned appearing otherwise is likely a case of his profile being outdated and not updated with the verse calcs.

Second, since the OP changed the match so Sherlock no longer has a weapon advantage…

• Sherlock only has his magnifying glass

Sherlock also has a weapon advantage here as he has his standard equipment.

Do you still vote for Sherlock or have you changed your mind?

Thirdly, this looks interesting so I’ll probably participate.

Ask and you shall recieve.

 

[RoggerReggor]

It's funny how these two characters known for their geniuses are pitted in a physical brawl

Is someone interested in making an intelligence-based fight? That would make for a cool discussion

Agreed, I would honestly want a cat and mouse situation.