Storm revision thread

[Antvasima]

Well, we have to specify that very specific circumstances are required, and the Trion feat still seems similar to the circumstances of Superman punching the World Forger in the 6th Dimension, even they are less extreme.

 

[Everywhereman]

Well, the problem is that we do not know how much of the power of the galactic core that she was using at the time, and lighting up outer space with a similar energy output to a star is only a High 6-A feat.

On this it's stated on panel that she used the entire core which is composed of millions of suns.

 

[Antvasima]

As far as I can see, all that is said is that she drew sustenance from the Galactic Core and lit up the sky like a star, and that was it.



Also, as the stars were stated to be alive and have inhabited worlds, it is very good that she did not kill them all to save herself.

 

[Everywhereman]

In the panel where she's lighting up space it says she summons the power of the entire core.

 

[Antvasima]

If she had drained the power of the entire core she would have murdered trillions of beings to save herself, which isn't exactly heroic, and she is still surrounded by all of the stars within it, so I think that what is intended was simply that she drew power from all of the surrounding stars, and then produced a similar energy output to one of them, but since Claremont was the writer, we got some heavy poetic language on top of that.

 

[Everywhereman]

Ok I see what you mean and you are right that Claremont does this a lot.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for being reasonable.

 

[Everywhereman]

Does this mean the varies stat is acceptable for the page? I could also include a note for further clarification.

 

[Eficiente]

Yes.

 

[Everywhereman]

If that's done the only thing that remains to be discussed is whether her new speed stat is accepted.

Up to at least Transonic flight speed (Flies at jet speeds.[41] Casually breaks the sound barrier.[42] ).

 

[Antvasima]

Does this mean the varies stat is acceptable for the page? I could also include a note for further clarification.

Well, I am just uncertain what that varies tier should use as an upper border exactly. By being empowered far beyond her usual limits, she explicitly had a High 6-A output and that was it, but we could give her that as her upper limit environmental destruction if you wish.

If we give her higher statistics from being unnaturally empowered by a magic universe with different laws of physics, the same would apply to the Trion Juggernaut from the same storyline, for example, and, again, it was still just a temporary external power-up.

 

[Eficiente]

If it was an external power-up it wouldn't be the same key, if it's thanks to her own powers then it's still the first key, and I'm pretty sure it's the latter.

 

[Antvasima]

The Trion dimension power-up was explicitly stated to be externally induced, much like the place immensely powered-up the Juggernaut and depowered Nightcrawler, for example. It was not due to her own power.

The Galactic Core power-up was just due to her having much more energy than usual to draw upon though.

 

[Everywhereman]

The core being moved to environmental destruction is fine but I do think the likely higher should stay.

But I would like to talk about the Trion dimension stuff.

The Trion dimension had a different set of physics that made Storm's and the others' powers operate differently, allowing her to channel the forces of the Trion dimension, this WAS due to what her powers are. Storm even explains that the connection between her and the forces of the Trion dimension is that they are elemental forces (water, air, and earth).

On the other hand, Juggernaut was possessed and amped by the "evil" of the Trion dimension, which was opposed to the elemental forces, and Cytorrak. He was also amped before he ever made it into the Trion dimension and just continued to grow more powerful.

 

[Antvasima]

But both of them were simply attuned to very unusual tYpes of external power source in an extremely unusual environment with different laws of physics. It seems dishonest and misleading to claim that this wasn't a temporary specific power-up.

I would appreciate further staff input though. Do you remember the specific issue references for this story, so they can check it up on their own, please?

 

[Everywhereman]

The issues are X-Men(1991) #88 and Uncanny X-Men (1963) #369.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the information. Would any of the rest of you be willing to investigate via RCO please?

 

[Everywhereman]

Bump.

Also Ant seeing as how discussion on this aspect of Storm’s powers hasn’t reached a conclusion, can we compromise? I’ll remove this section of her AP from the page so that it can be discussed in a later CRT and if the rest of the revisions are accepted those can be applied?

Varies when accessing ambient energies and forces (Storm's ability to manipulate the weather extends to the ambient energies and forces relative to her location, the effects of her powers depend on what she has access to. Storm was able to fight the elementals of the Trion dimension/reality which were described as "the sum total of all this dimension is, was, or ever will be," and they were stated to fear Storm. By manipulating the forces native to the Trion dimension/reality she sealed a hole in space-time.[7]).

Or should we wait for more interaction?

 

[Antvasima]

You only need to remove the sentences about the Trion, as that was an external power-up. The rest of the paragraph can probably remain.

 

[Everywhereman]

Ok I’ll remove that so we can discuss those in another thread but other than trion stuff, is the rest of the page accepted?

 

[Antvasima]

No. She should keep her previous calculated environmental destruction statistic, as we use energy per second for very prolonged feats. And her energy output when accessing ambient energies should be changed to the standard energy output per second for a star, as that is what was shown and stated to happen in the Galactic Core.

 

[Everywhereman]

Like this?

Varies, up to at least High 6-A when accessing ambient energies and forces (Storm's ability to manipulate the weather extends to the ambient energies and forces relative to her location, the effects of her powers depend on what she has access to. Using power from the galactic core, which was composed of millions of suns, Storm was stated to shine with the brightness of a star.[8]).

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the text should simply state that she used so much energy that she shone like a star and embed an information link about our Sun's energy output per second in conjunction. Otherwise it is very misleading to our visitors.

 

[Everywhereman]

I've edited it, does the new text work?

 

[Antvasima]

I modified it a little bit further. It should be fine to use now.

 

[Everywhereman]

I've applied the changes to the blog. Is there anything else that needs to be corrected?

 

[Antvasima]

I have cleaned up the structure and grammar of your draft, removed likely misleading unproven speculation, hyperbole, and scaling from external power-ups, and added a more traditionally characteristic quote. I also inserted a link that sourced the reason for her stated standard energy output level.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...sion?type=revision&diff=7678958&oldid=7678703

I think that the current page seems fine to apply.

 

[Everywhereman]

Ok. If the revision is fine to apply I can do it in a little.

 

[Antvasima]

I can just copy-paste the contents of your draft while adding a reference link to this thread in the edit summary box for Storm's page if you wish.

 

[Everywhereman]

That would be great, thank you.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

I have applied it.

Storm (Marvel Comics)

Ororo Munroe, better known as Storm, is a member and sometimes leader of the X-Men, a group of superpowered mutants brought together by Professor Charles Xavier to promote co-existence between humans and mutants and fight against crime and existential threats to the world. Gifted with the...

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