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(STAFF NEEDED) Undead UnIuck UMA immortality justification removal or note added

LeBronslegacy

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On UMA Beast’s profile for example (though this goes for any UMA), it states that a justification for type 4 and 8 immortality is that God can remake UMA’s if he wills it, while yes, this is true, it should be noted that this never happens in the middle of a fight, ONLY at the start of a new loop, if it was in character for God to remake UMAs anytime they are defeated, nothing in the story would get done and all the heroes would lose. See the autumn arc, where UMA autumn is defeated, and it stays that way, no remaking whatsoever even though it would benefit God. Also see the spring arc (specifically these pages) where the exact same thing happens, really powerful UMA, one of the 4 great season UMAs, that would definitely be useful to God, doesn’t get remade. UMA’s only get remade at the start of a new loop. Therefore, this specific justification should either be removed from the profiles or noted as not combat applicable.

Later Edit: While Sun does remake Seal in chapter 102 out of his own will directly, he only does this because Undead had made him particularly frustrated, something that hadn’t happened in the 99 other loops thus far (billions of years). In a vs battle setting on this wiki as well, Sun wouldn’t be nearby to send the UMA back to the battlefield. (Chapter 102) (also just realized I messed up on the tag after posting lol)

Edit: It’s decided that a note should be added to UMA pages along the lines of “It should be acknowledged that it is typically out of character for God (Sun) to recreate UMAs in a fight. The only instance this occurs mid-fight is when he himself is focused on the battlefield, and is made particularly upset. Even then, these UMAs had not yet been slain that loop. This also requires Sun to be on or near the battlefield. (Chapter 102)

Agree: @PrinceofPein @Blackcurrant91 @Wikisource @Arkenis

Disagree:
 
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Master rules are the only ones with type 8 and low godly but other umas still have the justification for type 4 without any sort of note for it being non-combat applicable.
 
I kinda specified this already.
Umas are born from God and can be remade if God wills it. This is further supported by the fact God remakes the world every loop and puts Umas back into it again as he did for Uma Insect and Thirst and many more.
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We also just see God do this during the same loop with numerous Umas spawning from his body. One can argue for the Umas res in the match if its realistic then its battle applicable.
 
Arkenis said:
I kinda specified this already.

We also just see God do this during the same loop with numerous Umas spawning from his body. One can argue for the Umas res in the match if its realistic then its battle applicable.
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To be fair this is when the union is fighting God himself after he manifested,
not when they are fighting Umas on their own, also Sun had to manually recall the remaining umas to himself instead of just making new ones to absorb in loop 101 (Ch 236) Either way I still think the wording is vague enough that a note is needed otherwise people with no knowledge on the series may misunderstand.
 
LeBronslegacy said:
To be fair this is when the union is fighting God himself after he manifested,
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What does that change? It's still based on his will.

LeBronslegacy said:
Sun had to manually recall the remaining umas to himself instead of just making new ones to absorb in loop 101 (Ch 236)
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Why would he need to make new ones to absorb?

LeBronslegacy said:
Either way I still think the wording is vague enough that a note is needed otherwise people with no knowledge on the series may misunderstand.
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Can just be clarified in a match or from a supporter. What wording do you have in mind?
 
Arkenis said:
What does that change? It's still based on his will.
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Not arguing that it isn’t based on his will, arguing that it’s not in character for him to do so when he is not on the battlefield, and thus needs a note for that. My point being the only time he does this is when he himself is fighting, not when the union are just scrapping with umas and he’s absent.

Arkenis said:
Why would he need to make new ones to absorb?
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To be stronger, more umas= more strength, he clearly thought he needed the umas to
survive hence why he absorbed them in the first place, so if he really wanted to make more (if he could) he would have done so, he has no reason to just make himself lose if he could have easily done it. He either doesn’t care to remake umas even when he is going to die, or he can’t.

Arkenis said:
Can just be clarified in a match or from a supporter. What wording do you have in mind?
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The wording can stay as is, simply add a note saying that it isn’t in-character for Sun (god) to remake umas in a fight when he himself isn’t currently on the battlefield.
 
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