First of all, you just linked the whole video and not a specific moment. Second of all, if it ain't Mona, then it ain't relevant. Not all Vision users fight the same
Also, since when can Mona fly with a Hydro Vision???
It's the end of the video. I have no idea how to link a specific moment, but Childe turns into water and flies out of a building through the blown out roof
All vision abilities are applied to all vision users on this wiki. Elemental Barriers are something only Amber and Childe have showcased, yet everyone on the wiki has it, so other vision based abilities are treated the same, especially since Mona actually does turn into water when doing a plunging attack even outside of her dash
This isn't a matter of "how does it not help?", it's a matter of "does she use her intangibility to evade physical attacks in-character?". Doesn't seem like she does TBH, same goes for other Vision users
Does she use her intangibility to evade physical attacks in-character?
She uses her intangibility to move in any capacity, meaning she evades them anyways.
And again, if turning intangible is the ONLY THING SHE CAN DO WHILE WEBBED UP, what do you think she's going to do
Proof that she spams this in-character against oncoming attacks? I've been asking for scans of certain things you guys are saying about Mona, but no one's given me a single thing whenever I ask for scans. I at least think the argument of "if she has nothing else left to do while restrained, then she'll turn into water" makes more sense than the stuff argued for her written above, but like...I haven't seen a single scan for a lot of the arguments she's been getting in this thread
ok I see the confusion here
you are correct. Mona doesn't spam this against oncoming attacks in character. There are no scans because she doesn't do this.
My only argument is as you said: "if she has nothing else left to do while restrained, then she'll turn into water"
because she CAN turn into water, and she DOES spam this, just not for defensive purposes. She uses it for mobility, and it's her ONLY mobility. The game literally doesn't let you run normally
Mona's ability to turn into water is used by her often enough that it isn't in the back of her mind, so if she is restrained or otherwise limited it's not unreasonable to assume she would use it
I don't really like a lot of the stuff MSahla said because like... very little of what they said actually matters in the context of this fight. They're not necessarily untrue but they're just not relevant abilities
Forcing someone to remain strictly on the defence to the point where they can't attack is pretty damn helpful (at least in this case since she can't close the distance as well as Peter can, projectiles or otherwise). I never once argued that his webs are piercing the shield, but the shield isn't gonna give her opportunities to attack either
She creates taunting water phantoms just by moving in her alternate sprint
Not to mention barriers tend to be stronger than the wielder. Mona's base durability is x6 stronger than anything Spider Man can output. Sure the barriers will theoretically lock her own but not only can she make phantoms to bypass her immobility, but she doesn't need to use them anyways since she just facetanks his pucnhes and kicks and turns intangible for his webs so Spidey has no options regardless
Um...no, he wouldn't? I already went over the reasons above on why he's not gonna fall for that due to his Spider-Sense and resistances. He's not a mindless enemy, he'll know instantly that it's not something he needs to attack, while also knowing it's gonna blow up in his face because of the Spider-Sense...something you guys seem to be ignoring. He's not a deer in head lights y'know. Unless this is a literal mind manipulating ability that genuinely forces an opponent to attack, this ain't doin' shit to distract him. If that's in fact what it does, then make a revision, because it's not on her profile and can't be considered
Mona's Mirror Reflection of Doom works on every enemy in the game, even bosses like Signora and other sentient enemies
Almost none of the enemies in Genshin are mindless. There's human enemies like Fatui, treasure hoarders, Eremites, wandering Samurai, the Sauroform Tribal Warriors, and heck even the Hilichurls used to be humans before they got cursed, but they certainly aren't mindless, yet every single one of them fall victim to the taunt. The only reason why this isn't more overpowered in the game is because most enemies have very wide range moves that hit most characters anyways, but in single target situations and against Spider Man, who doesn't have any AOE and naturally gets outranged without webs, he will actually just be forced to attack it. You can probably chalk this up to a game mechanic but the profiles actually USE game mechanics so I think it's fair to add this to Mona's base kit.
TLDR yes it's basically mind control and Spider Man can't actually do anything. I'll see if I can get it changed on her profile
Also, Spider-Man isn't gonna get overwhelmed, again, you guys don't seem to be reading the profiles and looking at his mobility feats. Those water illusions are gonna have a tough time even getting within meters of the guy
The only reason why I bring them up in the first place is cuz of taunt
He absolutely can dodge it based on the delay and his Spider-Sense giving him a healthy head start and the fact that he's just way better in mobility (consider that he won't stay in one place, he'll be moving around a lot), meaning that unless this is a case of the attack's full length/animation literally tracking onto enemies zipping around after Mona's activated the attack. It strikes where they are when she activates the attack. It's not really that it automatically works, more so that it knows where the enemy is when she attacks. It's also worth noting that Spidey's instinctive action is once again, gonna carry if this somehow vibes him trouble
it's harder to dodge something that spawns on you than a projectile you can see coming. Expecting Spider Man to dodge every single one when even a single one can rip off a limb is going to be difficult to say the least. I'm not saying Spidey can't dodge, but in a long drawn out battle he's going to struggle a lot, especially if he ends up running out of webbing. It's hard for Spidey to win since all of his attacks accomplish next to nothing due to Mona's durability, barriers and intangibility, meanwhile Mona lands a single hit and Spider Man is mauled for the rest of the battle
That bubble at best scales to Class 10, and Spidey's physically Class K. He's breaking outta there before Mona can pop it
Breaking out of the bubble means it just explodes and kills him. Popping the bubble in any capacity means Spider Man gets hurt by the bubble itself, meaning whether or not he has the LS to break out doesn't matter since he's surrounded by what's basically a bomb
Cool, but again, the taunt wouldn't fool him. It's good for creating more things that Spidey has to avoid, but he's not gonna just sit there and go "guess I'm dead"
read above
The rest of this seems good (minus C4, that's a bit too vague so I can't really comment on if it's as straightforward as it sounds), but literally none of this is indexed properly on her profile. She has the attacks listed, but none of the abilities, scans, and descriptions that should be on there to describe what all of this does
I have no idea why the person who made Mona's profile didn't add constellations when most other Genshin profiles do
...actually looking back on it, half of them do and half of them don't. It's REALLY messy right now
Mona clearly has a lot more abilities that need to be listed, but she can't do 85% of the stuff you listed if her profile isn't up to date
Even the Vision and Elemental ability pages mention NONE of the abilities that need to be listed for everything you just said
yeah again it's a mess. Amber and Childe have them on their profiles as well as every other catalyst user but Mona doesn't because *** us that's why I guess
Several other characters can make shields even if that's not their primary function (Amber can make shields due to the manga, Noelle and Beidou and Yunjin can make shields despite being DPS and supports, etc.). It's also weird to tack these abilities on these specific characters when many of them don't have any notable training or uniqueness besides just HAVING a vision. I have no idea why not more characters have this on their profile
As for intangibility, many characters can turn intangible, like every catalyst user + Childe. I find it weird that other weapon types don't have them when the likes of Klee who has no formal training and almost never actually uses her vision (instead relying on her engineering to make bombs) can turn intangible but the likes of Varka and Zhongli (one is the most powerful and experienced person in all of Mondsdadt and is on the level of gods, and the other IS a god and is MADE of elemental energy) can't. It's really stupid
I can look into it when I have the time but ngl revision pages are way harder to navigate compared to the battle pages
Also, no Mona doesn't outrange him if her profile is anything to go by. Everything you've linked me for Mona is Several Meters, maybe 10+ meters? Spidey's range is tens of meters
Spider Man's range is on his webs only, which we've already established doesn't work cuz intangibility
Spider Man's only means of attack is punching people and that's just melee range, meaning Mona outranges him in the only way that actually matters
TL;DR: Based on what I'm reading, Mona's page isn't really up to date on everything she can do
that is unfortunately absolutely correct
