Speed VS AP Question

[TauanVictor]

Let's say character "A" is just High 8-C. However, character "A" is MFTL in speed.

Let's say he's going to fight character "B" who is 7-A. However, character "B" is only MHS+ in speed.

What happens?

 

[Abstractions]

Character A would break their fists on Character B, the gap is so large that hurting B would be unfeasible.

However, Character B wouldn't have a chance of touching Character A due to the speed gap.

Results would be hard to gather from this as neither character can hurt each other.

 

[Baken384]

Let's say character "A" is just High 8-C. However, character "A" is MFTL in speed.

 

[TauanVictor]

 

[TauanVictor]

Character A would break their fists on Character B, the gap is so large that hurting B would be unfeasible.

So, if it was a smaller AP like Low 7-B would it be possible to hit it?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So, if it was a smaller AP like Low 7-B would it be possible to hit it?

No. The gap between High 8-C and Low 7-B is that of hundreds

 

[Baken384]

im pretty sure this High 8-C/MFTL person (I KNOW THIS MAN) can only probably damage dudes from 8-B and possibly low end 8-As if the speed is unequalized since free millions of hits (unless the opponent is also MFTL)

 

[Baken384]

im pretty sure this High 8-C/MFTL person (I KNOW THIS MAN) can only probably damage dudes from 8-B and possibly low end 8-As if the speed is unequalized since free millions of hits (unless the opponent is also MFTL)

Like just don't expect the person to even touch Tier 7s even Low 7-Cs won't be affected that heavily. The person would probably rule over 8-Cs, High 8-Cs, 8-Bs and possibly Low End 8-As at best thanks to the massive speed advantage, allowing them to land over a million hits (Unless their haxed or got the same speed)

 

[TauanVictor]

No. The gap between High 8-C and Low 7-B is that of hundreds

So just to be sure, if a High 8-C character has immeasurable speed he still can't hurt a 7-A MHS+ character?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So just to be sure, if a High 8-C character has immeasurable speed he still can't hurt a 7-A MHS+ character?

I'm pretty sure no

 

[Nierre]

Can't the speed possibly increase the force of their hits?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Can't the speed possibly increase the force of their hits?

3-A star platinum calc when

 

[Nierre]

Well- I know that's not how it works in this wiki.. but I just mean in like a real life scenario or- a fictious...

 

[ZillertheBucko]

funny enough I had a thread with the same question as the original post
to be honest, 9 times out of ten it's inconclusive or the stronger character wins
the fast character may have a low AP but if they can, say, punch a billion times a second in the same spot, all that damage is gonna hurt eventually
like for example a human can beat the crap out of a wasp and easily be stung with little harm, but if the wasp stings you a thousand times a millisecond you are going to get folded by the wasp and maybe die
in real life obviously, speed is one of the factors in force so it would be able to increase your AP just by going faster
of course, when we get to a really strong and faster 3-A vs very low end high 3-A the gap is still gonna be infinite between tiers, and speed will never be able to cross that barrier alone (unless infinite speed I guess, but not sure if the wiki is fine with a justification like that)

 

[TauanVictor]

3-A star platinum calc when

Where did you get Star Platinum?

 

[Metalballrun]

Can't the speed possibly increase the force of their hits?

Yesn't.

First of all, for the aforementioned High 8-C character that is MFTL (I definitely don't know who this is referring to btw), it's already established that they are High 8-C at MFTL speeds. It might be possible for them to get weaker if they punch slower though.
Secondly, it has to be established in-universe about how speed changes increases (or decreases) the force of the hits. Because a lot of times this dynamic is conveniently twisted and/or ignored. For example, they can punch harder but not really punch faster.

 

[Baken384]

High 8-C character that is MFTL (I definitely don't know who this is referring to btw

jotaro

 

[Nierre]

it's already established that they are High 8-C at MFTL speeds. It might be possible for them to get weaker if they punch slower though.

ohhhh.. that makes sense, i've never really thought about it that way

Because a lot of times this dynamic is conveniently twisted and/or ignored.

Yeah true.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

actually an interesting thing that might be relevant that I remember
boros (One punch man) gets rela+ speeds for kicking, meaning that wiki does follow the rule that nothing you hit or throw can travel faster than the speed which you hit or threw it at

 

[ZillertheBucko]

maybe the rule can also be reversed so that if you hit something faster, it would have more force?