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Sonic can actually kill Shulk with Conceptual/Info hax since Shulk doesn't resist them and doesn't have HGR...

...Too bad he'll never get to do that due to Shulk's passive fate hax that works on Acausal 4 people.
 
Sonic can actually kill Shulk with Conceptual/Info hax since Shulk doesn't resist them and doesn't have HGR...

...Too bad he'll never get to do that due to Shulk's passive fate hax that works on Acausal 4 people.
Sonic resist fate hax tho
 
Shulk's works on those with type 2 acausality (despite them literally having no future) and type 4 acausality (which is what Super Sonic has).
That doesnt mean it bypasses his resistances, also does Sonic having his own Causality Manipulation that works on Type 4's, that he also resist do anything
 
Sonic can actually kill Shulk with Conceptual/Info hax since Shulk doesn't resist them and doesn't have HGR...

...Too bad he'll never get to do that due to Shulk's passive fate hax that works on Acausal 4 people.
On top of this, Shulk isn't the only person Sonic needs to worry about here. SBA means this guy will also be aiding and fighting alongside Shulk since he is Shulk's weapon, Monado 3. That guy also has access to, and reactive evolution against this.
 
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On top of this, Shulk isn't the only person Sonic needs to worry about here. SBA means this guy will also be aiding and fighting alongside Shulk since he is Shulk's weapon, Monado 3. That guy also has access to, and reactive evolution against this.
In character, Alvis wouldn’t really be much of a factor. The one time Shulk used the Monado 3, Alvis didn’t really directly aid him in any way. Though, the Monado itself would have that RE since Alvis himself is the true Monado
 
In character, Alvis wouldn’t really be much of a factor. The one time Shulk used the Monado 3, Alvis didn’t really directly aid him in any way. Though, the Monado itself would have that RE since Alvis himself is the true Monado
Clover what are you talking about, Alvis literally helped Shulk in that fight by messing around with Zanza's Monados which. If you wanna say he didn't do a whole a lot, that can would be because Shulk on didn't really need it as he was already dogging on Zanza by himself. Alvis' primary goal here is Shulk's survival so that he could do his job so I don't see a reason why he wouldn't lend a hand when it calls for it which we see on numerous occasions like with Alvis dealing with Telethia for Shulk (both is Makna forest and the High Entia tomb)
 
...When did Alvis mess with Zanza's Monados? I've watched the cutscene with Alvis appearing to Shulk and Zanza in Memory Space multiple times.
 
...When did Alvis mess with Zanza's Monados? I've watched the cutscene with Alvis appearing to Shulk and Zanza in Memory Space multiple times.
The end, the providence of the world bit where he aligned the Monados then asked the question of "Does this world belong to Zanza or to you?" before Shulk gains the god killing symbol and erases him. Regardless though, Alvis has shown dozens of times he is more than willing to help out Shulk if Shulk needs it so I don't know what you're saying of Alvis wouldn't help due to his character.
 
The end, the providence of the world bit where he aligned the Monados then asked the question of "Does this world belong to Zanza or to you?" before Shulk gains the god killing symbol and erases him. Regardless though, Alvis has shown dozens of times he is more than willing to help out Shulk if Shulk needs it so I don't know what you're saying of Alvis wouldn't help due to his character.
I saw Alvis as more of a neutral party, but meh. Even still, I wouldn't call that moment Alvis disrupting Zanza's Monados. The other stuff is fair though, since Alvis does need Shulk to survive.

Wouldn't matter either way, as regardless, Shulk would have access to that RE since Alvis is the true Monado and all
 
Either way, Shulk passively fate haxxes, which sucks since he's one of the few XBC people without some of the best high-godly regen on the wiki
 
In character, Alvis wouldn’t really be much of a factor. The one time Shulk used the Monado 3, Alvis didn’t really directly aid him in any way. Though, the Monado itself would have that RE since Alvis himself is the true Monado
I am well aware of Alvis' nature of being the True Monado or Monado 3. I'm the one who the gave Shulk the use of Alvis in his Monado 3 key in the first place.
 
Either way, Shulk passively fate haxxes, which sucks since he's one of the few XBC people without some of the best high-godly regen on the wiki
Funnily enough he is also one a character who has been on the top strongest list dozens of times without any regen. A composite Shulk would be nuts though as you'd be adding NEP to the mix as well.
 
why does super forms coming from chaos emeralds which is 6x abstract mean everything else is 6x abstract??
Im not assuming everything is abstract for a Super form, only the energy and the abilites it grants, but a Super form gives them Type 4, which is from a 6x abstract source, at least thats my line of thinking
 
Im not assuming everything is abstract for a Super form, only the energy and the abilites it grants, but a Super form gives them Type 4, which is from a 6x abstract source, at least thats my line of thinking
Abstractness only applies to the energy itsellf,at best.Also, abstractness has no correlation with causality.
 
So? I am not even sure "conceptual causality" is even a thing,
Cyber space is on the abstraction blog, and it has casaulity be fundemental in it
regardless, you din't answered my question, how would that make his causality "stronger" in any way? How would it make it more potent
I never said anything about it being "more powerful" or "potent", just that Super form's cause and effects are more abstract, and to change it, you would need to affect it on the 6x abstract level
 
Cyber space is on the abstraction blog, and it has casaulity be fundemental in it
Causality as something it fundamentaly affects yes, regardless, this doesn't change what i said, cyber space is not even conceptual to begin with

I never said anything about it being "more powerful" or "potent", just that Super form's cause and effects are more abstract
Again, no, since Sonic himself is not conceptual, and if it isn't stronger or more potent he will be affected, end of story

and to change it, you would need to affect it on the 6x abstract level
Again, no idea where you are getting this from, dude, i am the one who first made the first thread addressing the abstraction levels, i'm telling you, there is no such thing as "conceptual cause and effect", stop
 
Voting Shulk. His passive RE and Fate Manip gives him the win here, especially since it can bypass Sonic's resistances.
 
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