Sonic vs Shulk

[Robo432343]

Sonic the Hedgehog (Modern)

Sonic the Hedgehog (ソニック・ザ・ヘッジホッグ, Sonikku za Hejjihoggu?) is Sega's mascot and the eponymous protagonist of the Sonic the Hedgehog video game series. He is an anthropomorphic hedgehog born with the ability to run faster than at the speed of sound and beyond, hence his name, and possesses...

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Shulk

Shulk (シュルク) is the main protagonist of Xenoblade Chronicles. He likes to think things through and is very methodical in his approach to most situations. He was one of the only known survivors on a previous expedition to retrieve the Monado, and as a young man has become a budding researcher set...

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[Brogeefrong]

Does chinaman have or had layers

 

[ShakeResounding]

The match is tagged Sonic (Adventure), you should swap it to Sonic (Modern)

 

[Brogeefrong]

i changed it to shulk

Probably shouldnt use xenoblade characters cause they need their layers evaluated

 

[Eseseso]

Sonic can actually kill Shulk with Conceptual/Info hax since Shulk doesn't resist them and doesn't have HGR...

...Too bad he'll never get to do that due to Shulk's passive fate hax that works on Acausal 4 people.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Sonic can actually kill Shulk with Conceptual/Info hax since Shulk doesn't resist them and doesn't have HGR...

...Too bad he'll never get to do that due to Shulk's passive fate hax that works on Acausal 4 people.

Sonic resist fate hax tho

 

[Eseseso]

Sonic resist fate hax tho

Shulk's works on those with type 2 acausality (despite them literally having no future) and type 4 acausality (which is what Super Sonic has).

 

[Brogeefrong]

Shulk's works on those with type 2 acausality (despite them literally having no future) and type 4 acausality (which is what Super Sonic has).

That doesnt mean it bypasses his resistances, also does Sonic having his own Causality Manipulation that works on Type 4's, that he also resist do anything

 

[Brogeefrong]

it does tho..

le how tho

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Sonic can actually kill Shulk with Conceptual/Info hax since Shulk doesn't resist them and doesn't have HGR...

...Too bad he'll never get to do that due to Shulk's passive fate hax that works on Acausal 4 people.

On top of this, Shulk isn't the only person Sonic needs to worry about here. SBA means this guy will also be aiding and fighting alongside Shulk since he is Shulk's weapon, Monado 3. That guy also has access to, and reactive evolution against this.

 

[CloverDragon03]

On top of this, Shulk isn't the only person Sonic needs to worry about here. SBA means this guy will also be aiding and fighting alongside Shulk since he is Shulk's weapon, Monado 3. That guy also has access to, and reactive evolution against this.

In character, Alvis wouldn’t really be much of a factor. The one time Shulk used the Monado 3, Alvis didn’t really directly aid him in any way. Though, the Monado itself would have that RE since Alvis himself is the true Monado

 

[JoshSSJGod]

In character, Alvis wouldn’t really be much of a factor. The one time Shulk used the Monado 3, Alvis didn’t really directly aid him in any way. Though, the Monado itself would have that RE since Alvis himself is the true Monado

Clover what are you talking about, Alvis literally helped Shulk in that fight by messing around with Zanza's Monados which. If you wanna say he didn't do a whole a lot, that can would be because Shulk on didn't really need it as he was already dogging on Zanza by himself. Alvis' primary goal here is Shulk's survival so that he could do his job so I don't see a reason why he wouldn't lend a hand when it calls for it which we see on numerous occasions like with Alvis dealing with Telethia for Shulk (both is Makna forest and the High Entia tomb)

 

[CloverDragon03]

...When did Alvis mess with Zanza's Monados? I've watched the cutscene with Alvis appearing to Shulk and Zanza in Memory Space multiple times.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

...When did Alvis mess with Zanza's Monados? I've watched the cutscene with Alvis appearing to Shulk and Zanza in Memory Space multiple times.

The end, the providence of the world bit where he aligned the Monados then asked the question of "Does this world belong to Zanza or to you?" before Shulk gains the god killing symbol and erases him. Regardless though, Alvis has shown dozens of times he is more than willing to help out Shulk if Shulk needs it so I don't know what you're saying of Alvis wouldn't help due to his character.

 

[CloverDragon03]

The end, the providence of the world bit where he aligned the Monados then asked the question of "Does this world belong to Zanza or to you?" before Shulk gains the god killing symbol and erases him. Regardless though, Alvis has shown dozens of times he is more than willing to help out Shulk if Shulk needs it so I don't know what you're saying of Alvis wouldn't help due to his character.

I saw Alvis as more of a neutral party, but meh. Even still, I wouldn't call that moment Alvis disrupting Zanza's Monados. The other stuff is fair though, since Alvis does need Shulk to survive.

Wouldn't matter either way, as regardless, Shulk would have access to that RE since Alvis is the true Monado and all

 

[Eseseso]

Either way, Shulk passively fate haxxes, which sucks since he's one of the few XBC people without some of the best high-godly regen on the wiki

 

[Brogeefrong]

Either way, Shulk passively fate haxxes, which sucks since he's one of the few XBC people without some of the best high-godly regen on the wiki

Isnt Sonic's causality also like 6x abstract

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

In character, Alvis wouldn’t really be much of a factor. The one time Shulk used the Monado 3, Alvis didn’t really directly aid him in any way. Though, the Monado itself would have that RE since Alvis himself is the true Monado

I am well aware of Alvis' nature of being the True Monado or Monado 3. I'm the one who the gave Shulk the use of Alvis in his Monado 3 key in the first place.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Either way, Shulk passively fate haxxes, which sucks since he's one of the few XBC people without some of the best high-godly regen on the wiki

Funnily enough he is also one a character who has been on the top strongest list dozens of times without any regen. A composite Shulk would be nuts though as you'd be adding NEP to the mix as well.

 

[AlphaOmegaV1]

Either way, Shulk passively fate haxxes, which sucks since he's one of the few XBC people without some of the best high-godly regen on the wiki

I mean...even if you manage to kill or incap Shulk, that doesn't stop Alvis

 

[Omegabronic]

Isnt Sonic's causality also like 6x abstract

Sonic's causality? WHAT?

 

[Brogeefrong]

Sonic's causality? WHAT?

Super forms grants Acausality Type 4, Super forms come from the Chaos Emeralds, and their energy is 6x abstract

 

[Brogeefrong]

why does super forms coming from chaos emeralds which is 6x abstract mean everything else is 6x abstract??

Im not assuming everything is abstract for a Super form, only the energy and the abilites it grants, but a Super form gives them Type 4, which is from a 6x abstract source, at least thats my line of thinking

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Im not assuming everything is abstract for a Super form, only the energy and the abilites it grants, but a Super form gives them Type 4, which is from a 6x abstract source, at least thats my line of thinking

Abstractness only applies to the energy itsellf,at best.Also, abstractness has no correlation with causality.

 

[Brogeefrong]

Abstractness only applies to the energy itsellf,

The acausality comes from the Chaos emeralds energy

Also, abstractness has no correlation with causality.

Cyberspaces seems to have Abractioness on the blog with the Abstract layers, and its nature has causality in it

 

[Omegabronic]

Super forms grants Acausality Type 4, Super forms come from the Chaos Emeralds, and their energy is 6x abstract

.....my dude, that is not how this works, your level of incorporality just makes you difficult to interact, which btw only applies to his energy and not himself, your cause and effect don't get harder to manip at all

 

[Brogeefrong]

.....my dude, that is not how this works, your level of incorporality just makes you difficult to interact,

wat

which btw only applies to his energy and not himself, your cause and effect don't get harder to manip at all

Doesnt the Chaos Emeralds energy give him the Type 4?

 

[Brogeefrong]

bro thats archie comics, not game

how else would they gain type 4 acausality by going Super

 

[Omegabronic]

wat

Doesnt the Chaos Emeralds energy give him the Type 4?

One has nothing to do with the other, i have no idea why you thought it had

 

[Omegabronic]

bro thats archie comics, not game

Games as well, they gain acausality type 4 in the games from them, that is not the problem here tho

 

[Brogeefrong]

One has nothing to do with the other, i have no idea why you thought it had

How does one have nothing to do with the other when they only gain Type 4 Acausality from a Super form

 

[Omegabronic]

How does one have nothing to do with the other when they only gain Type 4 Acausality from a Super form

How does the energy being harder to interact makes the potency for acausality higher? Answer, it doesn't

 

[Brogeefrong]

How does the energy being harder to interact makes the potency for acausality higher?

Cause the energy changes their causality

 

[Omegabronic]

Cause the energy changes their causality

So? I am not even sure "conceptual causality" is even a thing, regardless, you din't answered my question, how would that make his causality "stronger" in any way? How would it make it more potent

 

[Brogeefrong]

So? I am not even sure "conceptual causality" is even a thing,

Cyber space is on the abstraction blog, and it has casaulity be fundemental in it

regardless, you din't answered my question, how would that make his causality "stronger" in any way? How would it make it more potent

I never said anything about it being "more powerful" or "potent", just that Super form's cause and effects are more abstract, and to change it, you would need to affect it on the 6x abstract level

 

[Omegabronic]

Cyber space is on the abstraction blog, and it has casaulity be fundemental in it

Causality as something it fundamentaly affects yes, regardless, this doesn't change what i said, cyber space is not even conceptual to begin with

I never said anything about it being "more powerful" or "potent", just that Super form's cause and effects are more abstract

Again, no, since Sonic himself is not conceptual, and if it isn't stronger or more potent he will be affected, end of story

and to change it, you would need to affect it on the 6x abstract level

Again, no idea where you are getting this from, dude, i am the one who first made the first thread addressing the abstraction levels, i'm telling you, there is no such thing as "conceptual cause and effect", stop

 

[Eseseso]

I'm with Omega on this one.

Knock it off, Brogee

 

[Kachon123]

Voting Shulk. His passive RE and Fate Manip gives him the win here, especially since it can bypass Sonic's resistances.

 

[Omegabronic]

Voting Shulk. His passive RE and Fate Manip gives him the win here, especially since it can bypass Sonic's resistances.

It is a stomp

 

[Eseseso]

Me when I point out that Shulk fate haxxes but no one listens til now-