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Sonic The Hedgehog Revision (Summarized)
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If nothing work, let's just be conservative, asign At least FTL, likely higher for Super and FTL+, likely higher for Hyper
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Looks legit.
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Hyper Sonic drawes any ither of his speeda statsMatthew Schroeder said:
Also, Sonic is listed as "faster than light", but we don't know by how much, but why downgrade Super Sonic?
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Also, Hyper Sonic is listed as "Likely Massively FTL"
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Wait, if World Rings boost the user to Infinite Speed, that wouldn't affect Darkspine Sonic too?
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Yeah, it would. The World Rings let ALWL and Darkspine Sonic fight after space and time were destroyed.AidenBrooks999 said:
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should we also note that Darkspinne is actually an incomplete transformation as Sonic absorbed 3 while Erasor absorbed 4 of the rings?? And yeah infinite speed seems to be the case
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So FTL+ for Super Sonic and At least FTL+, likely higher for Hyper?
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I believe that's what's being decided, though Hyper Sonic could get "Likely Massively FTL".Matthew Schroeder said:
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Doubt it...
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I get that the gaps are massive, but aren't these rather huge jumps?
Like for example since Base = FTL and (Remember this is an example) say Hyper Sonic had a MFTL feat, then I would be okay with FTL+ for Super Sonic as he is between those two in stats, but this isn't the case at all.
Or perhaps Sonic <<<< A <<< B <<< C <<< D <<< Super Sonic <<<< E <<<< F <<<< G <<< Hyper Sonic and even then thats a "Possibly"
This is more like, since Nappa >>> Raditz >>> Piccolo (Sub-Rel), then Nappa is Rel+ or MFTL+ high tiers for the Buu Saga from the FTL feat from the Frieza Saga (Sorry DBZ is the only example I can think of)
I would be better with say, "At least FTL, likely higher" (Super Sonic) and a "Possibly FTL+, likely significantly higher" (Hyper Sonic) as we don't have said examples above or official multipliers.
Like for example since Base = FTL and (Remember this is an example) say Hyper Sonic had a MFTL feat, then I would be okay with FTL+ for Super Sonic as he is between those two in stats, but this isn't the case at all.
Or perhaps Sonic <<<< A <<< B <<< C <<< D <<< Super Sonic <<<< E <<<< F <<<< G <<< Hyper Sonic and even then thats a "Possibly"
This is more like, since Nappa >>> Raditz >>> Piccolo (Sub-Rel), then Nappa is Rel+ or MFTL+ high tiers for the Buu Saga from the FTL feat from the Frieza Saga (Sorry DBZ is the only example I can think of)
I would be better with say, "At least FTL, likely higher" (Super Sonic) and a "Possibly FTL+, likely significantly higher" (Hyper Sonic) as we don't have said examples above or official multipliers.
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@SD
I can accept that too. I just want to get this done with.
I can accept that too. I just want to get this done with.
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Same.
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Ye thats my problem.
To be fair, he's arguably baseline FTL at best in base (His LS Dash is one of his fastest moves (Only LS), and his closest feat to FTL was him being able to outrun a black hole for a short period of time, which result in Rel+ and caps out his normal speed as the Black hole was actually gaining up on him quicker than he can escape) Although we put him at FTL from a creator's statement, but feats indicate that if he is FTL, then he's probably baseline at best.
I can also use your argument for say... DBZ using the gap between SPC and Namek Saga SSJ Goku for example, which by this line of logic, would mean End Cell Saga up to high tiers Majin Buu Saga would have surpassed MFTL+ (Dang it I need more creative examples)
To be fair, he's arguably baseline FTL at best in base (His LS Dash is one of his fastest moves (Only LS), and his closest feat to FTL was him being able to outrun a black hole for a short period of time, which result in Rel+ and caps out his normal speed as the Black hole was actually gaining up on him quicker than he can escape) Although we put him at FTL from a creator's statement, but feats indicate that if he is FTL, then he's probably baseline at best.
I can also use your argument for say... DBZ using the gap between SPC and Namek Saga SSJ Goku for example, which by this line of logic, would mean End Cell Saga up to high tiers Majin Buu Saga would have surpassed MFTL+ (Dang it I need more creative examples)
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Lightspeed Dash has clearly been surpassed by his current casual speed as he's now naturally FTL and doesn't need a specific technique to reach lightspeed any longer, and the gap between FTL and FTL+ is far smaller than the gap between FTL+ and MFTL+ so that logic doesn't apply. Weren't Buu Saga god tiers MFTL anyways?
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The statement came before Sonic Colors (If I remember correctly, I think it was on the previous Sonic speed thread) which depicted Sonic below LS so your rebuttal is based on what?
Possibly MFTL. The fact that I said Possibly FTL+ and likely higher for Hyper Sonic was an incredibly generous suggestion as the DBZ Possibly MFTL had literally jumped a dozen or so characters (Lowball) of characters that were superior to SSJ Namek Goku's speed, which by the way, was already half way through FTL+. The gap between baseline FTL and FTL+ is far bigger in multiples than the one depicted by DB's stats, so your other rebuttal doesn't apply either.
Possibly MFTL. The fact that I said Possibly FTL+ and likely higher for Hyper Sonic was an incredibly generous suggestion as the DBZ Possibly MFTL had literally jumped a dozen or so characters (Lowball) of characters that were superior to SSJ Namek Goku's speed, which by the way, was already half way through FTL+. The gap between baseline FTL and FTL+ is far bigger in multiples than the one depicted by DB's stats, so your other rebuttal doesn't apply either.
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Why wouldn't we treat them as cannon?The Everlasting said:
For Alf Layla-Wa-Layla, he reduced the world of Arabian Nights to what is essentially a void. Not sure if that counts as destroying space-time, though.
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Because more often than not they only exist to give the players a specific location to attack on the enemy's body and are never addressed in the story itself. Not to mention we have no reason to arbitrarily assume these certain parts are unfathomably weaker than the rest of their body.
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What The Everlasting has said.
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I suspect the weakness is only there so the players can win so there is that lol
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Weak spots are mostly a game design thing, so I don't think they should be counted. Even if they were, they can't be that less durable then their, uh, "normal parts"? and would likely result in the same general tier.
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The problem with this is that if this is true, then base Sonic is Large Planet level for being able to damage Dark Gaia by attacking it's eyes, despite the fact that it's quite clear that base Sonic is otherwise practically a pissant in comparison.
Contrast with Light Gaia in the Gaia Colossus, who is as strong as Dark Gaia and shows this by not needing to attack Dark Gaia in its weakpoints to deal damage.
Contrast with Light Gaia in the Gaia Colossus, who is as strong as Dark Gaia and shows this by not needing to attack Dark Gaia in its weakpoints to deal damage.
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5-A base Sonic is an inconsistency. We don't need to make everything fit to tier a character.
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Indeed, it is. The point I was trying to get across, though, is that weak points ca be that much less durable than their "normal parts" (in response to Darkanine's comment above).
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In the case of, say, Solaris, we'd have to assume these "weak points" are literally infinitely weaker than the rest of his body if that is the reason Sonic doesn't scale (He still doesn't because outliers, but you know), which is just plain nonsense.
Plus, as Darkanine said above, they can be weaker but still in the same tier as their natural durability (I.E. Alf Layla wa-Layla's heart).
Plus, as Darkanine said above, they can be weaker but still in the same tier as their natural durability (I.E. Alf Layla wa-Layla's heart).
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Sonic casually caugt up with a SoL laser in the same game and commented it was "almost as fast as he was". There's no exact value for a black hole's escape velocity so it can't be used to put him at relativistic.
I'm not the most knowledgeable on Dragon Ball but if that's the case DBZ should be MFTL or high-end FTL+, then. After looking into it more I can agree "At least FTL+" is more appropriate for HS but it's no incredibly generous suggestion for a form far beyond a form far beyond a from that has FTL feats.
I'm not the most knowledgeable on Dragon Ball but if that's the case DBZ should be MFTL or high-end FTL+, then. After looking into it more I can agree "At least FTL+" is more appropriate for HS but it's no incredibly generous suggestion for a form far beyond a form far beyond a from that has FTL feats.
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The fact that it is almost as fast as Sonic puts him still near baseline FTL.
It is generous considering there is no absolute evidence for it, we are making educated guesses here and being very lenient with them.
That aside, do you at least agree with the proposed ratings, and if not, what do you propose?
It is generous considering there is no absolute evidence for it, we are making educated guesses here and being very lenient with them.
That aside, do you at least agree with the proposed ratings, and if not, what do you propose?
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Yes.
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Who's gonna do 'em?
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I can't do them because the pages are locked
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What do yall need ulocked?
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Done, tell me when youre done so i can lock it again
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