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[Remus1998]

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Oh boy, didn't think I'd be doing this. Base…

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What do you think about this downgrade for Sonic? Can anyone give arguments for or against it

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Lots of misinformation, I’ll debunk this.

 

[Remus1998]

fine by me

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

A single Chaos Emerald is seen as vastly superior to the rest of the cast and having unlimited power.

False, it’s outright stated Shadow uses the true power of his Chaos Emerald yet he doesn’t shitstomp the cast, they’re comparable to him.

Infinite power statements aren’t used for High 3-A without feats, they’re simply used as Infinite energy for stamina or indefinite generation of energy for as long as needed. The passive output of the Emeralds is Tier 5 level given the Unleashed feat. It’s not an infinite amount (High 3-A) by a passive degree when stuff can’t harness an actual unlimited amount with just a single gem and instead require multiple of them to attain a larger output.

Sonic and co only ever fight Emerl when he was amped by all the Chaos Emeralds, and they were all going to die to Emerl's self destruction from absorbing too much of its energy, so obvious outlier and narrative inconsistency.

This is an outright lie, they were going to die to the Final Egg Blaster, a 4-A weapon. That doesn’t contradict Tier 5.

Next up is scaling to Chaos 2, 4, 6, and Perfect Chaos (Exclusive to Generations). Problem is Sonic and co need to actively exploit the weak spot in Chaos to do any significant damage to him or has to freeze his body to depower Chaos.

Base Sonic isn’t scaled to Chaos 6 or Perfect Chaos so those two are irrelevant. Anyway, they needed to attack his brain because it was the only tangible part of his body, not because it’s thousands upon thousands of times weaker than his Attack Potency (er, Chaos would literally die by just moving due to Newton’s 3rd law if his brain was that much weaker).

A lot of people point to the characters fighting a clone of themselves while empowered by the Chaos Emeralds. Not only is this really bad circular scaling, but it once again contradicts the narrative.

Another lie, the scaling comes from merely holding an Emerald being stated to give you a boost in power, and Sonic fights enemies in possession of an Emerald.

Eggman notes the Egg Dragoon is powered by Dark Gaia's perfect form energy. Sonic at the beginning of the fight literally notes how the green spot on the Egg Dragoon looks "fishy" and he has to use the weapons on the Egg Dragoon against it to do significant damage. So he doesn't scale.

1. Once again via Newton’s 3rd Law the weak spot cannot be thousands of times less durable or the Egg Dragoon would destroy itself by moving
2. The Egg Dragoon accidentally attacks itself during the fight meaning its Attack Potency scales to its Durability

I should note that Sonic should stay put no higher than tier 7 (Specifically 7-B) given Sonic and co were all going to die to Infinite's star, which was calced at 7-B+.

Multiple issues with this nonsense:

1. It can easily be argued the Attack Potency of the Sun simply upscales from whatever the cast’s durability is without any real contradictions, it doesn’t have to cap at whatever it’s calculated at. For example, Majin Buu’s Planet Burst attack performed a Tier 5 feat, but two 4-B characters couldn’t stop the attack. Does this mean Buu Saga Goku and Vegeta cap at Tier 5, or does the Attack Potency of the Planet Burst simply far exceed its Area of Effect? The answer is clear, and the same logic applies to Infinite’s Sun.
2. Heat Resistance is separated from conventional durability. Heat isn't related to Kinetic Energy/Potential Energy relationship, it is tied to shit like Melting points and Boiling points. Most of the Resistance lacks Heat Resistance feats.
3. Let’s say this Sun 100% indisputably caps at City level for whatever reason, and the characters would’ve died to its force rather than its heat, making it a genuine Anti-Feat. What stops me from dismissing it as PIS? A singular Anti-Feat wouldn’t nullify all the Tier 5 arguments.

Dark Gaia and Master Core: ABIS stuff is irrelevant because we don’t use either of them as supporting evidence. Rings protecting the cast from damage is obviously Gameplay Mechanics; Rings don’t spew from the bodies of Sonic and co. when they take damage in cutscenes and they don’t get one shot when they don’t have them.

Sheesh these points were ******* awful, I’ll include them in my blog on the Verse’s stats with refutations.

 

[DragonLord]

Just a note, while i’m just assuming you want answers, the Sonic part of VsWiki doesn’t really like having to constantly explain our scaling to new users over and over with usually the same points

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

@Remus1998 Questions answered?

 

[Remus1998]

Yeah

 

[Theuser789]

What Mav said, I can't see how you play Battle and legitmaly think that Sonic only fights Emerl once or that his "explosion" was going yo kill everyone, and not the laser cannon pointed at Earth

 

[Planck69]

I've been told to close the thread as the main issue has been addressed.