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Sonic (Paramount) vs Invincible (0-7-0)

I watched all three movie so I should have a decent amount of knowledge.
How on earth does Invincible deal with.. well.. perception amp with slows down Sonic's perception of time?
 
I watched all three movie so I should have a decent amount of knowledge.
How on earth does Invincible deal with.. well.. perception amp with slows down Sonic's perception of time?
Well invincible will just be moving at his regular speed in Sonic's perception no?

Its speed equal all the scan is saying is that Sonic's perceptions matches his speed if I'm understanding it correctly.

Even then though its just Sonic's own perception it doesn't necessarily change his speed as well which means the fight is still possible
 
Mark insane LS diff can help him bfr sonic into space, and sonic does not have space survival or way to get back on earth unless we assume he has rings from start to bfr him and mark on another dimension
 
Sonic seems to be slightly stronger in regards to AP but Mark should be more skilled/experienced, can fly, and has an absurd LS advantage.

I doubt Sonics AP advantage is enough to make up for that. Since their AP is pretty close I could see Mark just ripping Sonic in half
 
Seems Invincible is no stranger to electrical attacks, but I think the heat Sonic's electricity generates will be far above Invincible's heat resistance if applied continuously (as his 100 Million°C is several times that of the 15 Million °C that was tearing his smart atoms apart in the core of a star, if I'm remembering the final battle he had with Thragg correctly).

I know Invincible can get grimy if necessary, but is it in-character for him to quickly just rip someone in half who seems mostly benevolent beyond their current fight? Sonic isn't much of a grappler anyways (Super Form aside), so it wouldn't be his style to out-muscle him that way anyways, but I'm curious. Many of his more gruesome displays of brutality are against scum and the bundle for his resistance to electricity manipulation shows he should really have some form of Social Influencing.
 
Mark not bloodlusted I just dont see him going for ripping him in half, let alone as a opener or near after opening.
 
Seems Invincible is no stranger to electrical attacks, but I think the heat Sonic's electricity generates will be far above Invincible's heat resistance if applied continuously (as his 100 Million°C is several times that of the 15 Million °C that was tearing his smart atoms apart in the core of a star, if I'm remembering the final battle he had with Thragg correctly).
It would very much have to be continuous, given Mark can withstand 100m in short bursts just fine, such as when he tanked various nuke. It doesn't need to be quite that high if sustained, but actually sustaining it isn't something he's gonna just let happen.

Could Sonic actually apply that level of heat over the course of say, a minute straight? WIthout Mark stopping or disrupting him at any point?
I know Invincible can get grimy if necessary, but is it in-character for him to quickly just rip someone in half who seems mostly benevolent beyond their current fight?
I mean if Sonic is cooking his ass? Yeah. That's going to kill him eventually, Sonic goes from random foe to a threat that needs to be killed at that point.
Sonic isn't much of a grappler anyways (Super Form aside), so it wouldn't be his style to out-muscle him that way anyways, but I'm curious. Many of his more gruesome displays of brutality are against scum and the bundle for his resistance to electricity manipulation shows he should really have some form of Social Influencing.
I mean if you're arguing Sonic is going to be cooking him alive, Mark's morals gonna go out the window, by the end of the comic, he really doesn't care about killing if it's required. Obviously he avoids it if he can, but in self-defense he can and has.

If they just box, Mark would try to incap, but if Sonic is going to be doing actual lethal moves on Mark, Mark can, and will, rip him in half, crush him, tear him apart, etc something he does to quite a few foes toward the end of the comic's run.
 
Seems Invincible is no stranger to electrical attacks, but I think the heat Sonic's electricity generates will be far above Invincible's heat resistance if applied continuously (as his 100 Million°C is several times that of the 15 Million °C that was tearing his smart atoms apart in the core of a star, if I'm remembering the final battle he had with Thragg correctly).
Yeah Sonics electricity could fry him eventually but I don't really remember movie Sonic using it to fry people. I could be misremembering ig but still.
I know Invincible can get grimy if necessary, but is it in-character for him to quickly just rip someone in half who seems mostly benevolent beyond their current fight?
Hard to say for sure because by the end of the series Mark is only fighting people he's either familiar with or who don't pose a threat to him. But by the end he does willingly kill people like when he stabbed Rudy or squashed one of Thraggs kids head off.

So if Mark sees a little almost alien twice as strong he is generating electricity around himself I think he would definitely jump to dismemberment pretty quickly.
 
It would very much have to be continuous, given Mark can withstand 100m in short bursts just fine, such as when he tanked various nuke. It doesn't need to be quite that high if sustained, but actually sustaining it isn't something he's gonna just let happen.

Could Sonic actually apply that level of heat over the course of say, a minute straight? WIthout Mark stopping or disrupting him at any point?
Ahhh, okay, thanks for the clarification.

Likely, as Shadow had done similar when he was charging the Eclipse canon to perform his Low 5-B feat that he did.
I mean if Sonic is cooking his ass? Yeah. That's going to kill him eventually, Sonic goes from random foe to a threat that needs to be killed at that point.
Noted.
I mean if you're arguing Sonic is going to be cooking him alive, Mark's morals gonna go out the window, by the end of the comic, he really doesn't care about killing if it's required. Obviously he avoids it if he can, but in self-defense he can and has.
I actually was moreso just questioning the idea. Sonic himself likely wouldn't go for frying Mark to death, it's moreso his attacks being laced with it. I could only see such in either a bloodlust scenario or as some last resort tactic (and even then, probably not against a being like Mark).
Yeah Sonics electricity could fry him eventually but I don't really remember movie Sonic using it to fry people. I could be misremembering ig but still.
Nah yeah it's not in-character, he does it against non-living/mechanical beings and in the novel a little.
So if Mark sees a little almost alien twice as strong he is generating electricity around himself I think he would definitely jump to dismemberment pretty quickly.
Fair, though Sonic himself is very childish in attitude so I'm just a little uncertain that Mark would do so (at the start, I'm not trying to imply he'd never do so).

Just a question. If Mark had Social Influence on his page and talked him down from a fight, that would be a win for him and not Inconclusive, correct? That would be my vote but it's not on the page so aaaa

I'd be willing to vote for Mark via experience and a few other factors. Gonna hold my vote atm
 
Likely, as Shadow had done similar when he was charging the Eclipse canon to perform his Low 5-B feat that he did.
No I mean, I know he can, I meant can he do so while actively fighting, dodging, and avoiding getting manhandled.
Mark isn't just going to stand there and let it happen, the question is if Sonic could apply that heat, continuously, even while in active combat.
I actually was moreso just questioning the idea. Sonic himself likely wouldn't go for frying Mark to death, it's moreso his attacks being laced with it. I could only see such in either a bloodlust scenario or as some last resort tactic (and even then, probably not against a being like Mark).
If it's only the "attacks laced" with it, I don't think the heat in that context would actually help (much). You need continuous applied heat to start effecting their atomic bonds, a quick burst like an attack that happens in a fraction of a second is something Mark can and has shrugged off, to his own surprise even (Bro was kinda shook he ate the nuke without damage).
Nah yeah it's not in-character, he does it against non-living/mechanical beings and in the novel a little.

Fair, though Sonic himself is very childish in attitude so I'm just a little uncertain that Mark would do so (at the start, I'm not trying to imply he'd never do so).
He wouldn't if Sonic wouldn't. Might treat him like a nuisance or a joke, or might even like him, as long as Sonic makes it evident he's fighting without lethal intent, Mark would probably treat him like a human villain that isn't inherently evil and thus shouldn't be killed, given he has before.

That shit goes out the window in self defense tho against threats that could kill him if he ain't ballin'.
Just a question. If Mark had Social Influence on his page and talked him down from a fight, that would be a win for him and not Inconclusive, correct? That would be my vote but it's not on the page so aaaa
mark's social influencing is a bit meh, like he WILL use words first by this point, in fact he makes it a point too, and has talked down multiple dudes before, and even gave Thragg a slight chance to back down, but like, he isnt stopping someone if they dont want to stop.

Using it to stop a fight would be a victory tho, like you got them to stop through YOUR means. It's basically outsmarting without lethal intent, or sometimes with an ult motive like Dio rizzing dudes into submission is 100% a victory condition.
 
No I mean, I know he can, I meant can he do so while actively fighting, dodging, and avoiding getting manhandled.
Mark isn't just going to stand there and let it happen, the question is if Sonic could apply that heat, continuously, even while in active combat.
Ahhh.

I would say he could do so at the cost of perhaps some focus of his surroundings, making it more likely he gets tagged. But it's so far removed from what he'd do that I don't think it's a factor for an in-character fight (I would say the exceptions are for non-biological beings).

If it's only the "attacks laced" with it, I don't think the heat in that context would actually help (much). You need continuous applied heat to start effecting their atomic bonds, a quick burst like an attack that happens in a fraction of a second is something Mark can and has shrugged off, to his own surprise even (Bro was kinda shook he ate the nuke without damage).
Gotcha.
He wouldn't if Sonic wouldn't. Might treat him like a nuisance or a joke, or might even like him, as long as Sonic makes it evident he's fighting without lethal intent, Mark would probably treat him like a human villain that isn't inherently evil and thus shouldn't be killed, given he has before.
Gotcha. Seems this is probably gonna be a battle of bruises.
Using it to stop a fight would be a victory tho, like you got them to stop through YOUR means. It's basically outsmarting without lethal intent, or sometimes with an ult motive like Dio rizzing dudes into submission is 100% a victory condition.
Noted, I felt it was always a tad confusing in the way I've seen SI used to end a match.
 
Flight is ironically Sonic's smallest issue due to the location of SBA. The main factors leaning it towards Mark for me are the massive upscaling to close the AP gap (which was already only like a 1.6x difference, meaning they're essentially gonna be trading blows evenly), greater experience through his hundreds of years of intergalactic journeys, and his resilience to intense electricity and even heat at Sonic's level in short bursts. And I would've added that his SI would probably disarm Sonic from confrontation.

In an outright fight, I think both could hold their own for a while before Mark starts using his greater experience and freedom of movement to try and force Sonic to submit via incap/K.O. (theoretically Mark could just put him in a Class Z chokehold and just render him unconscious, as one example). Sonic's agility/nimbleness will only help for so long until he slips up, and I'm sure Mark will seize such a moment as soon as he's able.

As for Sonic's Rings... well, at the least it would prevent Sonic being BFR'd. Even if he tricked Invincible through one, I don't think that will help because of Flight (and if he wasn't able to make it back in time, as Speed Equal lowers the fastest one's speed to the other's iirc, it couldn't be added because Invincible is the faster character).

For those reasons, I suppose I'll vote Mark.
 
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