Sonic Mind Resistance

[fandom_22Easy]

Dude chill out.

You won't be on this wiki long if you keep acting like that.

 

[Dark_Matter557]

Nothing personal

 

[Dark_Matter557]

No hard feelings

 

[Dark_Matter557]

Dude chill out.

You won't be on this wiki long if you keep acting like that.

Ok.

 

[HST_Master]

Wait. Retract my agreement. I don't disagree, but I clicked on the links and it seems you posted the scan just before the page we need to determine the truth.

For Mammoth or Base Sonic?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

For both.

 

[HST_Master]

Just in case it's for both Mammoth states he was aware of their Super Forms and was attempting to keep them out of them

And for Base Sonic he simply goes Super next page and fights Enerjak

there's also Sonic and Tails resisting Cal and Al's Mind Manipulation albeit after a while

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Mammoth

While I'm confused, as I need more context, I'm not against.

Enerjak
I don't see any mind controlling there, but given how you said there's a hex, I probably once again need context. But until I get said context, unlike the above, I'm against.

Horizont-Al and Verti-Me
Perfect. No problems. Though doesn't count as 4-D mind manipulation without knowledge of two things. One, are they higher dimensional as opposed to having higher dimensional powers? To elaborate, are they 4-D like Arceus or Khorne, or are they 3-D with 4-D powers like Bill Cipher or Goku? And two, if not, what's their best mind manipulation showing? Not reality warping, but mind manipulation. How many people have they mind controlled at once before? That number (unless it's infinite or question one is answered "yes") divided by two is the level that Sonic and Tails can eventually get out of.

 

[HST_Master]

For Mammoth

The Context of it is that Mammoth had sent Sonic, Knuckles, and Tails away to later retrieve and Mind Control them for his personal soldiers. After they gain their Power Rings and eventual Super Forms he opts to kill them instead.

For Enerjak

Finitveus explains that hex he put on the Master Emerald bent Knuckles to his ideals when he became Enerjak, he's then surprised it had no effect on Sonic

For Al and Cal

Tbh honest they're 3-D with 4-D powers (They eventually end up in "Zone Jail" and have their powers surpressed) and the only people they've shown Controling was Sonic and Tails.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

Verti-Me XD

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Mammoth: Yeah, I don't see that as mind manipulation resistance. He never attempted to mindscrew them, and it's more likely that he thought they were too much of a threat to keep around.

Enerjak: That is the scan I needed. I agree that Sonic has mental resistance due to this. It's unbelievably blatant. However, the feat suffers from the same as the following, in that Knuckles Enerjak is a 3-D being with 4-D powers, as opposed to True Enerjak or Chaos Knuckles, who are higher dimensional. Plus, it affected Knuckles before he turned into Enerjak. So it wouldn't be 4-D mindhax. Sonic would only be capable of shrugging off baseline mindhax.

It's funny how my views took a complete 180 lol.

Al and Cal: So...same as above.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

@Cal

Power Rings have been shown to retain free will with Jules,Bernie,Sonic, & Monkey Khan,a single Chaos Emerald has restored Ixis Naugus' mind, & Knuckles has pushed Dimitri out his mind via Chaos Energy aswell. It's highly likely that the massive amount of rings & by extension Super States prevented Master Mogul from controlling them.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I believe you, but can I get scans?

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

That's a lot of scans that I have to read now...

Well, I can't say you weren't compliant. Guess I gotta be careful what I wish for lol.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Bump.

 

[Dark649]

These can be safely applied alongside the High 2-A upgrade.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Is anyone willing to do that? Mobile, how I hate you so...

 

[Dark_Matter557]

These can be safely applied alongside the High 2-A upgrade.

And next to conceptual manipulation (By destroying two abstract forms, Chaos Force and Illumina)

 

[ShakeResounding]

Bump. The upgrades and RMM was never applied.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Bump. These are the last things that need to be applied.

 

[Dark649]

I already applied them.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Oh, apologies. Must not have updated on mobile yet.

Also, quick question. Wouldn't Pre-Gen also have Conceptual/Soul Manipulation, or would that only be for Post-Gen?

 

[Dark649]

Only Post-Gen since the post gen stuff began during the Genesis wave.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Alright, thanks.