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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

ZothythoTheNephalem said:
This is hardly a change and more of a reinforcement of the wiki standards given the rules that existed prior.
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reading the staff statements the change is actually far reaching; it made it so anything scaling down from a baseline feat in tier 2 and above are actually the higher tier not only is the beerus and champa punching clash tier 2 even with low 2 unis, if the same feat was applied with 100 people instead of 2 theyd still be ranked as 2-C
 
Darkmon_cns said:
reading the staff statements the change is actually far reaching; it made it so anything scaling down from a baseline feat in tier 2 and above are actually the higher tier not only is the beerus and champa punching clash tier 2 even with low 2 unis, if the same feat was applied with 100 people instead of 2 theyd still be ranked as 2-C
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Exactly, why is there a problem?
 
Darkmon_cns said:
reading the staff statements the change is actually far reaching; it made it so anything scaling down from a baseline feat in tier 2 and above are actually the higher tier not only is the beerus and champa punching clash tier 2 even with low 2 unis, if the same feat was applied with 100 people instead of 2 theyd still be ranked as 2-C
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I never said it didn't have far-reaching side-effects, I just said that it was a reinforcement of the wiki's standards. It just makes sense for the change and makes things much more streamlined.

It's a "change", but also not really. More of an elaboration to make things easier.
 
Alexander said:
Exactly, why is there a problem?
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me not knowing it just ment I was using the wrong terminology, for example it is a fact the shatter verse unis are low 2-C by the wikis standards no matter what interpatation you use, I was incorrectly talking about the possibility of them being high 3-A
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Your friend literally made the revision that made that untrue


Let's be hypothetical and say a universe shattered into 100 peices and we have no more context for it then that, by the changes the other guy made to the tiering system all 100 of those fragmentation would be low 2-C, yet there still from a normal low 2-C universe this is because Omega has made it so anything downscale from any tier 2 tier or higher is that higher tier
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I see your point. I can understand where you go those from. I am not the biggest supporter of 2-C so I don't have much else to say.
 
Pretty much the Eggmen knew about alternate worlds and that Nine’s tech could access them before making that quote, but had no knowledge of if those worlds existed in the same universe or different universes so their quote is likely referring to the current realm.
 
Let's not get antagonistic when getting our point across, guys. Please?

@Darkmon_cns Basically, you can't divide Low 2-C into Tier 3 from site standards via inferiority as long as it meets the requirements. Several threads have reinforced this, though I don't have many examples off the top of my head to give you. I've been witness to it, it would just be [X] times below Low 2-C rather than something like High 3-A. Iirc one was a Dragon Ball thread

Edit: Not saying it's impossible for a Low 2-C universe to be broken into smaller non-Tier 2 realms. That wording was funky.
 
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ShakeResounding said:
Let's not get antagonistic when getting our point across, guys. Please?

@Darkmon_cns Basically, you can't divide Low 2-C into Tier 3. Several threads have reinforced this, though I don't have many examples off the top of my head to give you. I've been witness to it, it would just be [X] times below Low 2-C rather than High 3-A. Iirc one was a Dragon Ball thread
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I found the thread and have read through it, it dosen't really change the scaling at all just the terminology-
Has anything else changed in the last year or so I should know about? (I promise I've asked this before)
 
About the whole Shatterspace stuff, I remember Ian Flyn saying that the Paradox Prism goes with the name and just, made a paradox. So the fact that a universe became more after being sliced, and later was able to be restored while the slices still exist, is just a showcase of how crazy the Paradox Prism is, creating this "bubble multiverse" that coexist as a subdivision of the larger multiverse.
 
Executor_N0 said:
About the whole Shatterspace stuff, I remember Ian Flyn saying that the Paradox Prism goes with the name and just, made a paradox. So the fact that a universe became more after being sliced, and later was able to be restored while the slices still exist, is just a showcase of how crazy the Paradox Prism is, creating this "bubble multiverse" that coexist as a subdivision of the larger multiverse.
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Like ben 10, the paradox is that the universe is a multiverse
 
Darkmon_cns said:
So wait..are the 5 realitys existing at once just a paradox? Like the Sonic world is itself and 6 other worlds at once?
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Rather, the fact they coexist.

The 5 realities are fragments of the original universe, the universe just was shattered by the Paradox Prism. But the fact that later they are able to piece the fragments back and restore the universe while keeping the fragments existing individually, it's a paradox. As the fragments both exist back as the original universe and also as individual universes parallel to it in a small bubble.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
You know that can definitely seem Bizarre to an outsider
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For what it's worth, many standard users are in the same boat as you even as regulars.

For example: any universe difference in Tier 2-C results in a one-shot, making it typically impossible to have matches in the tier without methods of circumventing durability or avoiding being one-shot via an infinite AP difference
 
ShakeResounding said:
For what it's worth, many standard users are in the same boat as you even as regulars.

For example: any universe difference in Tier 2-C results in a one-shot, making it typically impossible to have matches in the tier without methods of circumventing durability or avoiding being one-shot via an infinite AP difference
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TLDR 2-C could effectively be called 999 different tiers and 2-B is even crazier
 
ShakeResounding said:
For what it's worth, many standard users are in the same boat as you even as regulars.

For example: any universe difference in Tier 2-C results in a one-shot, making it typically impossible to have matches in the tier without methods of circumventing durability or avoiding being one-shot via an infinite AP difference
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Reading the tier page........huh, maybe that was a mandela effect
 
ShakeResounding said:
For what it's worth, many standard users are in the same boat as you even as regulars.

For example: any universe difference in Tier 2-C results in a one-shot, making it typically impossible to have matches in the tier without methods of circumventing durability or avoiding being one-shot via an infinite AP difference
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it's the type of thing that just needs to happen because of how the system was set-up and the expectations caused by works that just scale their power levels by number and not directly by a more grounded logic.

By all intents and proposes, the 4-D level of Low 2-C up to 2-A is the same, infinite 4D hypervolume is infinite 4-D hypervolume even if you have infinite parallel timelines. If you pick infinite squares of infinite area, you still have the same infinite area.

The levels are just separated by an unqualified measure of hax/range that is an attempt to measure the amount of the 5th-dimensional axis covered by the destruction, as you can expect, that has nothing to do with 4-D level, so by all intents and proposes, Low 2-C up to 2-A are the same in actual 4-D level, and the difference is all due to a difference that isn't quantifiable. Is just one of the many things that are accepted just because it "makes sense" when dealing with this style of VS Debating that just needs a simple enough explanation to work.
 
Regarding Egg Field and Lightman.
Obviously the idea that just positive emotional energy by itself canceling it out doesn’t work but.

Is it fair to say that a similar type of energy (nondual, dream, emotional energy fusion, or extremely vast quantities of positive emotional energy) of a similar potency as super sonic could cancel out the field? Or is that too fanfic-y.
 
JJSliderman said:
Regarding Egg Field and Lightman.
Obviously the idea that just positive emotional energy by itself canceling it out doesn’t work but.

Is it fair to say that a similar type of energy (nondual, dream, emotional energy fusion, or extremely vast quantities of positive emotional energy) of a similar potency as super sonic could cancel out the field? Or is that too fanfic-y.
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Too fanficy. Blaze had her Sol Emeralds and was still affected.
 
JJSliderman said:
Regarding Egg Field and Lightman.
Obviously the idea that just positive emotional energy by itself canceling it out doesn’t work but.

Is it fair to say that a similar type of energy (nondual, dream, emotional energy fusion, or extremely vast quantities of positive emotional energy) of a similar potency as super sonic could cancel out the field? Or is that too fanfic-y.
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Well I think it makes sense but then again ~~goku absorbing a spirit bomb~~
 
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