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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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Way too many Twitter users. You can't mention anything about him without getting pigeon holed.
Personality or motivations? Rapist.
Character dynamics? Rapist.
Powers & abilities? Rapist.
Color scheme? Rapist.
You like the character? Rapist.
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Those people need to separate fiction and reality.
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Best list or Strongest list?
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It's weird to me. Fictional characters are not real people that we're putting our beliefs in.
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he did what???
ShakeResounding
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Scourge hooked up with Bunnie under the guise of being Prime Sonic (this was pre-green), so he... ya know... took advantage of her. She wasn't aware until after the fact that it was, indeed, not Sonic.
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That’s disgusting I’m never picking up these comics
ShakeResounding
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And somehow, it's arguable that it wasn't even the worst thing to happen in the comic run.That’s disgusting I’m never picking up these comics
NGL the Archie characters are put THROUGH IT. It genuinely gets occasionally saddening how much worse they have it sometimes compared to the Games, shit's metal. Both in terms of their struggles in the plot, AND the nonsense some writers put in...
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Just skip to issue 160. It's the only correct way to read the comics.That’s disgusting I’m never picking up these comics
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Don't do this. A lot of Ian's run only works because of all the set-up and characters he uses from older Archie stories.
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I honestly like Scourge way more than Prime Sonic in Archie, to be honest. At least knows what he's about and not some quote-unquote "hero" and "good guy" after seeing the type of shit Prime Sonic does. The hilarity of it all. Feels like a pretend good guy quite a lot along with him being an unlikeable Spider-Man spoof it feels like. Just irritating to even me, the reader.
People like to say that "ooo Archie shows more sides of Sonic and complexity/more emotion = good" when that isn't always the case depending on execution. Sure I'd like to see Sonic in different situations, but I much rather prefer the simplicity of Sonic's character. It's his charm. He doesn't some overarching backstory, family issues, monarchical politics, etc to be a compelling character. He had all of that sauce in charm in the pre-Meta Era and somewhat recently in Frontiers without any of that.
People like to say that "ooo Archie shows more sides of Sonic and complexity/more emotion = good" when that isn't always the case depending on execution. Sure I'd like to see Sonic in different situations, but I much rather prefer the simplicity of Sonic's character. It's his charm. He doesn't some overarching backstory, family issues, monarchical politics, etc to be a compelling character. He had all of that sauce in charm in the pre-Meta Era and somewhat recently in Frontiers without any of that.
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Best way to read Archie is to not read it, as simple as that.
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I'm confused with Eggman Nega's origins, like in Rush/Rush Adventure it makes sense, he's an alternate version of Eggman in the Sol Dimension even states that himself.
And then in Rivals 1 he says he's actually a descendant of Eggman from the future of the normal world, and I get that Blaze was also from the future and was sent to the Sol Dimension by the end of 06 but there's no reason for what she did to also affect Eggman. Even if we go that route and said "oh he just forgot same way Blaze did, so he went to the future and figured out his origins somehow" there's still the issue of the people of the future knowing he's Eggman's descendant which shouldn't be possible
And then in Rivals 1 he says he's actually a descendant of Eggman from the future of the normal world, and I get that Blaze was also from the future and was sent to the Sol Dimension by the end of 06 but there's no reason for what she did to also affect Eggman. Even if we go that route and said "oh he just forgot same way Blaze did, so he went to the future and figured out his origins somehow" there's still the issue of the people of the future knowing he's Eggman's descendant which shouldn't be possible
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Back then the lore wasn't consistent, both Rivals and Rush were being made with each side just not knowing what would be done, Rivals' staff even said that Rush's origin was the true one. What we have now is just an overall retcon, SEGA knows it was contradictory and the games didn't fit together, so the current explanation is just the decision to retcon what happened (Although it's fun that Rivals is the one that was never released in Japan).
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Nah... it's just another case of Blaze getting cucked (to a lesser extent Knuckles, Tails and even Amy too) to prop up Silver as a member of the destined hedgehog trio that 06 was pushing (quite a few fans are still pushing this idea too).
*Blaze is a princess from another dimension? Nah! she's originally Silver's mentor/friend from the future.
*Blaze is a MC that can stand on her merits/lore while being powerful enough to go toe to toe with Sonic? Nah! she's just a support character that sacrifices herself for Silver's character development.
*Blaze has own version of Eggman that plagues her world alongside robot pirates? Nah! Eggman Nega is from the future, is Silver's enemy and is a descendant of main universe Eggman (at least Blaze managed to achieve world peace in her dimension with the robot pirates being no more).
I could go on but you get the gist, I don't believe for one minute "that Blaze was always planned to be from the future" not matter what anyone says.
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I mean there is this
Like basically it was planned to be that way but got fumbled
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Chat I've come to turn in my Sonic highballer badge.
I could not get Shadow the Hedgehog to beat Vincent Valentine Final Fantasy Dirge of Cerberus in a community Discord debate no matter how hard I tried...
I could not get Shadow the Hedgehog to beat Vincent Valentine Final Fantasy Dirge of Cerberus in a community Discord debate no matter how hard I tried...
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That ain't enough we sealing you in the hyperbolic time chamber
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Some of this is kinda theory and headcanon in some areas. But I think when writing 06 the intention was to try to work as an origin of sorts for Blaze. But over time shit got muddled and I think they landed on her starting from Sol? But her and Silver have a bit of a meta connection thanks to 06 and all. Maekawa even said shit is up to interpretation sorta on Twitter.
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Ah, I remember when the reason Sonic wasn't Tier 2 on the wiki was due to 06's "self-retcon". The reason was literally "the feats technically never happened so no Tier 2".
Good times... somewhat.
Good times... somewhat.
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Gentlemen? BETRAY and TRAP this man into oblivion.
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Powerscalers not understanding canon, a tale as old as time
I don't think it was changed to her starting in the Sol, but rather just the Rush games coming out before 06. Would be weird to have her be in the Sol dimension first, then the future with no reason, then back to the Sol dimension
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He's getting CHAOS RIFTED!
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The current canon is that Nega lied about being from another dimension. He can just travel between time and different dimensions using a machine he build.
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Honestly him just lying is a funny reason but it makes sense lol
Nega travels to the Sol dimension in order to try and rule it after the prime dimension basically rejects him for being a descendant of Eggman. Fails many times anyways, then decides to lie about being another Eggman to Eggman so then he can work with him, fails twice, so then he just traps and betrays the real Eggman in the hyperbolic card chamber.
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The Character Profiles for Sonic 06's development have Blaze origin as the Sol Dimension (That and her being shy for being flat). There was never a intent of making Blaze be from Silver's future (Unlike Eggman Nega that did have a contradictory origin according to Rival's development team). No material for 06 ever said Blaze was from Silver's future, they all said she was from the Sol Dimension, but somehow got into Silver's future due to being able to travel across time and space.
It's just that people assumed that her being there meant she was from there, when that was never the intent.
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Then he gets stuck with a fire monster and is never seen again...
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Well that clears up the confusion for me but man was there really not an easier way for them to make sense of it
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He shows up in a Sonic Channel comic in 2016. He's still alive.
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The good thing is that the script already had an English translation they used. it's mostly the same as the Japanese text, but with some references, like the "unique costume" is directly said to be a Takarazuka-like costume.
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Speaking of which where can I get the Sonic Channel comics, is it free?
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Yes, they are available on Sonic Channel as posts, but not officially translated. Official translation did exist, they were given with the Comic 2-packs toys.
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Thanks for the heads up, I was able to find some english translations and they look clean surprisinglyYes, they are available on Sonic Channel as posts, but not officially translated. Official translation did exist, they were given with the Comic 2-packs toys.
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We literally have these comics in most of the galleries of our pages, too.
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Key word most
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