Son Goku vs Scourge The Hedgehog

[HST_Master]

Super Saiyan 2 Goku vs Base Scourge

Fight takes place on Moebius

Speed Equal

Who wins?

 

[Theglassman12]

I can't be the only one here that feels disappointed in the lack of hax from 2-A scourge here right???

Anyways, Goku should take this via higher AP, more combat experience, being able to abuse enemies weakness whenever he's given the chance, energy sensing which makes it hard for scourge to get away, flight, versatile ways to use ki in combat, creating a brand new fighting style to counteract scourge's fighting style should it ever be a problem to him, IT spam to get close to Scourge, as well as Solar Flare to help him get a few good blows.

 

[CaptainFinnigan]

Not sure who wins this bout but I'm leaning on Goku because of versatility and I think scourge is only baseline 4-B

 

[Theglassman12]

He is, sonic's feat puts him and others around baseline.

 

[CaptainFinnigan]

So yeah Goku takes this one

 

[HST_Master]

@Glass

I mean besides the basic Chaos Powers every other character with a Super Form gets Scourge is sorely lacking as a 2-A

And

Goku: 2

Scourge: 0

 

[HST_Master]

Bump

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

Scourge should actually have every ability Sonic has since he IS Sonic.

 

[Theglassman12]

That's mere speculation.

 

[HST_Master]

Actually your right...in base anyway(He doesn't have an Ultra Form)

I should make a CRT about that later

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

Not really.Scourge is an alternate version of Sonic Prime who differs only in attire & personality, not ability.

 

[Theglassman12]

Do you have any evidence that he can be intangible, and all that jazz?

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

He should be everything Sonic is & more considering he absorbed enough energy from the Master Emerald to change his physiology.

 

[Theglassman12]

how is changing his physiology equate to he should have everything sonic has?

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

Because he's amped beyond a normal Sonic Prime & there's really nothing that suggests he's different except the affects of Anarchy Beryl which are an outside source of power.

 

[Theglassman12]

That's like me saying Goku black and Goku are the same, so they should have both of their powers

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

I think a "possible" Hax list should be added to Scourge in a CRT, literally being the same person would be a more viable scaling than many other instances on this site TBH.

 

[Theglassman12]

Except they're not the same person. They're about the same as Ultraman and Bizarro is to Superman.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

Not a good comparison.

 

[Theglassman12]

How is it not a good comparison? Scourge and Ultraman are very identical to Sonic and Superman respectively, but they don't have any proof that they have any abilities like their good counterparts.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

Because Scourge used the Master Emerald just fine,by your logic he shouldn't have been able to because he's from a different timeline with different rules.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Ultraman and Superman are actually a good comparison, especially the Post-Flashpoint versions.

Superman gets his powers from storing Yellow Sunlight and kryptonite weakens/kills him.

Ultraman gets his power from Kryptonite and sunlight actually weakens him by purging the Kryptonite from his cells.

As for the fight itself, Goku fra.

 

[Theglassman12]

and how does him using the master emerald have anything to do with him gaining all of Sonic's ability?

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

I just explained why its not.

 

[Theglassman12]

So how does that help your case when you haven't shown any proof that they have exactly the same powers, techniques, etc.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Because Scourge used the Master Emerald just fine,by your logic he shouldn't have been able to because he's from a different timeline with different rules.

I think the point that Glassman is trying to make is just because a character is an alternate version of another, doesn't mean they have the same powers, power level, experience, etc.

When dealing with characters from alternate universe, things can vary wildly. We have to wait and see if they can do the same things or if they even have abilities that the original does not.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

It helps my case because the Master Emerald feat proves he isn't different,so POSSIBLE hax can be scaled.Ultraman/Bizzaro was a bad comparison because by that logic Scourge would've been killed by the Master Emerald,not amped.

 

[Theglassman12]

You do know that virtually anyone in the Sonic universe can use the emeralds right? There's never been a statement that says that only a certain few can use the emeralds.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

@TheC2

That does make sense however it's also fallacious to assume that alternate versions don't POTENTIALLY have access to the same abilities especially when they are identical physically.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

@HST master

I apologize for derailing,I'm out.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@TheC2
That does make sense however it's also fallacious to assume that alternate versions don't POTENTIALLY have access to the same abilities especially when they are identical physically.

No one is assuming that they don't, but we do need proof of what they can do and to what level.

 

[HST_Master]

Goku: 3

Scourge: 0

 

[AKM sama]

Well, until better arguments are done I'll vote for Kakarot for above reasons.

 

[HST_Master]

bump

 

[HST_Master]

Bump

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Goku FRA. Though Super Scourge would beat even MUI Xeno Goku, if he existed.

 

[Theglassman12]

Super scourge isn't being used here.

 

[Quantu]

Carrot fra.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Super scourge isn't being used here.

I said if.

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

I can't be the only one here that feels disappointed in the lack of hax from 2-A scourge here right???
Anyways, Goku should take this via higher AP, more combat experience, being able to abuse enemies weakness whenever he's given the chance, energy sensing which makes it hard for scourge to get away, flight, versatile ways to use ki in combat, creating a brand new fighting style to counteract scourge's fighting style should it ever be a problem to him, IT spam to get close to Scourge, as well as Solar Flare to help him get a few good blows.

Goku for this reason