Something something, canonicity (Fujitaka verse)

[SweetDao]

So, I need to make a CRT so that we accept "The Demon King is Unbeatable" as part of the canon, as such, so here it is.

Here are all the connections. However, I'd argue that every chapter is usable, even after the first three volumes. It makes no sense to only accept a portion of it. But that can be discussed later on.

Connection with My Big Sister Lives in a Fantasy World:

- Yuichi Sakaki directly mentioned since the person who's going to be isekai-ed is a classmate of his, Koichi Makise. He also exists within My Big Sister Lives in a Fantasy World.

Connection with Instant Death:

- Places like Celestial Foundation and the "Sea" are mentioned in both, alongside stuff like universes encompassing others and such.

- Battlesong system is shared between both.

- Celestial Foundation Eater also exists within TDKIU.

- The "world" (Ultimate Ensemble World) mentioned in TDKIU.

- Fujitaka mentioning what happened with Makise Kouichi.

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Concerning the Volume 4 and 5:

まずは、以前公開していた「大魔王が倒せない」を「旧・大魔王が倒せない」として投稿していきます。
こちら、少々ややこしいのですが、書籍版を元にして、WEB版の構成に近い形で投稿します。
ですので、
1章「大魔王対勇者」（書籍2巻）
2章「大魔王対大魔道士」（書籍1巻）
3章「大魔王対異邦人」（書籍3巻）
4章「大魔王対凶王子」（WEB４章）
5章「大魔王対大魔王」（WEB５章）
合間に短編や、WEB未公開分など

First, I will be posting the previously published "I Can't Defeat the Demon King" as "The Old Demon King Can't Defeat."

This is a little confusing, but I will be posting it based on the book version and in a format close to the web version's structure.
So,
Chapter 1 "The Demon King vs. the Hero" (Book Volume 2)
Chapter 2 "The Demon King vs. the Great Wizard" (Book Volume 1)
Chapter 3 "The Demon King vs. the Foreigner" (Book Volume 3)
Chapter 4 "The Demon King vs. the Evil Prince" (WEB Chapter 4)
Chapter 5 "The Demon King vs. the Demon King" (WEB Chapter 5)
In between, there will be short stories and parts not published on the web.

They are just a continuation so everything should be fine.
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Agree: LephyrTheRevanchist (fine with all volumes), Astral_Trinity439, KingNanaya, BestMGQScalerEver, Ihsjihahxu, BoastJr, DarkDragonMedeus, HammerStrikes219

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[KingNanaya]

I agree

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I have no say on any potential tiering stuff but dunno why it wouldn't be canon already.

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

I agree

 

[Ihsjihahxu]

Off topic for a moment, where did you get this novel from?

 

[SweetDao]

Off topic for a moment, where did you get this novel from?

Pixiv Fanbox of the author. At one point it was probably available online but got deleted when the official volumes were released.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Seems fine to me

 

[SweetDao]

Seems fine to me

Are you fine with not only the three volumes published, but also the fourth and fifth volume solely written on the fanbox of the author as a webnovel format? (or perhaps it was available at some point somewhere, but I'm unsure)

To explain a bit more, the three volumes were selling really badly, so he never had the chance to publish the rest, as such, he uploaded the existing volumes on his fanbox alongside two new volumes.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I believe per our rules, only the officially publish ones would count.

 

[SweetDao]

I believe per our rules, only the officially publish ones would count.

I mean, isn't it contradictory? The rest of them are just in the webnovel format, it's not like they are "unofficial" or whatever. They are also technically available to anyone wanting to read them, as long as they pay. That's like saying exclusive chapters/bonus chapters on the Patreon of an author aren't usable because "They are on Patreon and not officially published" which is iffy.

 

[KingNanaya]

I believe per our rules, only the officially publish ones would count.

could you please cite the rule that says this specifically? the rules on canon don't specify anything like this scenario.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

could you please cite the rule that says this specifically? the rules on canon don't specify anything like this scenario.

The generally agreed-upon definition is that the work by the original author and creator of the fictional setting is canonical, unless the author or the copyright holder declares otherwise. Notably, if a work is referred to by the author/publisher as "canon-adjacent" or otherwise given an endorsement of canonicity that contains some form of asterisk (mostly canon, etc) in the absence of more specific information it should be assumed that these works are not usable given our inability to determine what aspects of the work are not fully canon. A few other exceptions are also possible and should be noted on the verse page.

So basically, are the extra volumes/chapters not officially released referenced in some form on the more "official" works? Or has the author directly declared them canon in some way?

 

[SweetDao]

So basically, are the extra volumes/chapters not officially released referenced in some form on the more "official" works? Or has the author directly declared them canon in some way?

Well, it's just the continuation of the others, I don't know exactly what you would need. I'm not understanding the question clearly.

If by "referenced" you mean "does stuff that proves canonicity happens beyond the first three volumes" yeah, for example, the mentions of the Celestial Foundation Eater.

- Celestial Foundation Eater also exists within TDKIU.

Also, the whole "Universes within universes", which, mind you, is one of the crux of the cosmology of Instant Death.

 

[KingNanaya]

So basically, are the extra volumes/chapters not officially released referenced in some form on the more "official" works?

from what I understand, it's the same series in a different format because the author couldn't afford to publish the volumes in paper copies anymore.

 

[BoastJr]

I have no say on any potential tiering stuff but dunno why it wouldn't be canon already.

I agree with Mgqscaler

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Don't see how it would not be canon to ID due to the amount of references...
count me as agreed like always.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Thoughts are the same as Lephyr.

 

[SweetDao]

Thoughts are the same as Lephyr.

Do you agree with the 4th and 5th volume too? Since those are really the only possible contention.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

from what I understand, it's the same series in a different format because the author couldn't afford to publish the volumes in paper copies anymore.

Is there an interview or something with the author regarding this?

Literally just need one statement saying "this is a continuation of this other thing" to get it fully set in stone.

 

[SweetDao]

Literally just need one statement saying "this is a continuation of this other thing" to get it fully set in stone.

Is that enough?

まずは、以前公開していた「大魔王が倒せない」を「旧・大魔王が倒せない」として投稿していきます。
こちら、少々ややこしいのですが、書籍版を元にして、WEB版の構成に近い形で投稿します。
ですので、
1章「大魔王対勇者」（書籍2巻）
2章「大魔王対大魔道士」（書籍1巻）
3章「大魔王対異邦人」（書籍3巻）
4章「大魔王対凶王子」（WEB４章）
5章「大魔王対大魔王」（WEB５章）
合間に短編や、WEB未公開分など

First, I will be posting the previously published "I Can't Defeat the Demon King" as "The Old Demon King Can't Defeat."

This is a little confusing, but I will be posting it based on the book version and in a format close to the web version's structure.
So,
Chapter 1 "The Demon King vs. the Hero" (Book Volume 2)
Chapter 2 "The Demon King vs. the Great Wizard" (Book Volume 1)
Chapter 3 "The Demon King vs. the Foreigner" (Book Volume 3)
Chapter 4 "The Demon King vs. the Evil Prince" (WEB Chapter 4)
Chapter 5 "The Demon King vs. the Demon King" (WEB Chapter 5)
In between, there will be short stories and parts not published on the web.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Is that enough?

Can you provide the citation link?

 

[SweetDao]

Can you provide the citation link?

Here. I don't know if you need to subscribe to read it, though.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Thank you. This should be enough to fully accept this, then.

And yes, I could see it without subscription.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Not that familiar with ID, but I agree