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There might be too many abilities, on account of the elements attached to all the weapons.
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Someone talk about Drakengard pages?
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No it's fine I can do it
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Alright, final three are up.
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I'll check in a few hours. I appreciate you putting in the work.
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Are bullet points seen as a superior way to list P&A?
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Personally I like it and it looks nice when the pages have a ton of keys and different resistances
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Bullet points work well when there's only a few abilities. If the character has a huge list of abilities, as is common with hax lord characters, the bullet points end up making it absurdly long. With Zero, her weapons might end up making the list that long.
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Perhaps a tabbing system could work. Like how it's done with the nier pages.
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That could work. Since the characters have their standard abilities and powers tied to weapons, and dozens of different weapons with different powers.
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It works okay if the ability list isn't absurdly long, like it is for some characters. Some characters have a wall of abilities so tall it's almost surprising the character doesn't just drop it in front of their enemies to keep them out.
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How're the profiles coming along? Need any help?
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I'm not sure how to make profiles anew. If someone is willing to provide renders for the images I can certainly make all the Drakengard 1 and 2 character pages, and any Nier Replicant ones, provided I don't get treated as a vandal for it.
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I don't see an issue with using pictures from another wiki. I mean the big issue is that the drakengard pictures are limited and the wiki just so happens to have all of them. Just example, I've found a couple websites with Drakengard concept art. But the wiki already has them.
As for templates, personally I copy the page of an existing character who is closest in explanation to them (Caim in this case I guess) then change the necessary information.
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Hey, here's a sandbox I made for a Nowe page. It's a bit barebones, but what do you think?
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Alright, that's a start. If you want I can easily remove the white background for a transparent one for his profile pic.
Just a reminder the speeds also need to be re-calc'd
Just a reminder the speeds also need to be re-calc'd
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Yeah, a clear background would work. How are we going to get the speed recalculated? I don't know if you've noticed, but getting calculation blogs done is like pulling teeth.
We can at least go with all the lightning in the final chapter. D2 was a real trove of speed feats and possible speed feats. Lightning everywhere in the final air battle, Nowe reacting to a lightning bolt in a cutscene early on, bats firing sound waves which Legna can effortlessly dodge and outrun, lightning attacks of your own which Caim can dodge in the battle with him, Nowe being able to dodge a beam of "light (?)" which is based on the power of a light sphere which is released after beating the District of Precious Light (other spheres behave in a similar manner, with fire and water spheres clearly being fire and water), and likely far more.
Either way, we need an ability thread too, to properly lay out the abilities of these characters. Some of them are clearly universal to anyone with magic, which meansthe Robo-Butt which is all anyone seems to care about 2B should also have them.
We can at least go with all the lightning in the final chapter. D2 was a real trove of speed feats and possible speed feats. Lightning everywhere in the final air battle, Nowe reacting to a lightning bolt in a cutscene early on, bats firing sound waves which Legna can effortlessly dodge and outrun, lightning attacks of your own which Caim can dodge in the battle with him, Nowe being able to dodge a beam of "light (?)" which is based on the power of a light sphere which is released after beating the District of Precious Light (other spheres behave in a similar manner, with fire and water spheres clearly being fire and water), and likely far more.
Either way, we need an ability thread too, to properly lay out the abilities of these characters. Some of them are clearly universal to anyone with magic, which means
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If you can find me the youtube scene, I can do the calculations.
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You can do pixel scaling stuff? I'll look for YouTube videos, and maybe see how I go recording footage of my own. The best feats will all be in the final battle, whether it's ending 1 and 3's Nowe vs Legna or ending 2's Nowe and Legna vs Manah. That's where the sky full of lightning is.
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Hey, I found some videos.
This video here includes the air battle of ending 3.
This video features the second ending's boss battle, starting at 10:06
This video here includes the air battle of ending 3.
First thing you might notice is how Nowe's sword and arm extend when he swings them, granting elasticity. Gismor had already displayed this ability prior, but I think it's just them. Also his access to the New Breed form after his interaction with Manah indicates accelerated development. Also note at 13:04 Nowe states that Manah's power is energizing him, and he can sense it. I also note that Legna's big attacks completely darken the sky all around them. Nowe's magic attacks are clearly Danmaku and homing attacks too, as are some of Legna's.
At 9:20 there's a brief moment where Nowe is dodging to the side (his fastest in-game movement) and there's a crackle of lightning at about the same time, which might give some good comparison points. Another at 12:58. Also a cutscene moment at 18:52 where lightning arcs across his wings while he's casually flying.
Perhaps more notable, there's a shot at 11:49 where Nowe fires one of his sword shock waves at the same time as a lightning bolt moves. The wave certainly seems to be comparable to the speed of the lightning.
I see lots of scenes where Legna is flying and lightning is travelling at the same time, such as at 9:30, but if you observe Legna's fast dashes you'll notice that he is moving far faster when he dashes than most of the time.
You might find better shots for comparison; the whole battle scene, starting from 8:00 and lasting until 18:00, is full of movements and full of lightning bolts.
This video also shows the battle, but it's a bit clunkier. Might have better points of comparison though.
At 9:20 there's a brief moment where Nowe is dodging to the side (his fastest in-game movement) and there's a crackle of lightning at about the same time, which might give some good comparison points. Another at 12:58. Also a cutscene moment at 18:52 where lightning arcs across his wings while he's casually flying.
Perhaps more notable, there's a shot at 11:49 where Nowe fires one of his sword shock waves at the same time as a lightning bolt moves. The wave certainly seems to be comparable to the speed of the lightning.
I see lots of scenes where Legna is flying and lightning is travelling at the same time, such as at 9:30, but if you observe Legna's fast dashes you'll notice that he is moving far faster when he dashes than most of the time.
You might find better shots for comparison; the whole battle scene, starting from 8:00 and lasting until 18:00, is full of movements and full of lightning bolts.
This video also shows the battle, but it's a bit clunkier. Might have better points of comparison though.
This video features the second ending's boss battle, starting at 10:06
You may notice how Manah deals with the sphere, resisting possession and mind control, and even resisting absorption in Ending 3, you'll notice she's absorbed in Ending 2, but the Ending 3 video starts annoyingly enough right after she resists the sphere and absorbs it.
At 13:12, Manah's swirling energy blasts can be seen moving next to a lightning burst. It actually looks like they're as fast or faster.
At 13:12, Manah's swirling energy blasts can be seen moving next to a lightning burst. It actually looks like they're as fast or faster.
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Drakengard 2 Feat - New Breed Nowe vs Holy Dragon Legna: Lightning Edition
As the lightning I'm using is in the foreground, I don't need to employ any conversion to meters to get a speed here, so that's fun Lightning = 468 pixels Legna Beam = 540 pixels Legna Beam/Lightning = 1.154 Now, what about the speed? In lieu...
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Take a look at this. Now I haven't broken down the numbers myself but it looks like they calc'd the scene. Though their numbers appear to be rather small.
Drakengard/NieR feats
Angelus = 44 pixels Explosion Radius = 976 pixels Explosion Radius/Angelus = 22.182 Angelus = 25.4 meters Explosion Radius = 563.423 meters New Calculator http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ because it lets me do a ground explosion rather than SD.net's purely airburst~ Explosion Yield (low...
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This is where the OG numbers came from but it seems that whatever video or image they referenced is not loading. Perhaps you can figure out the scene they're talking about?
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The blogs being redone is probably a good idea. I do suspect it would yield higher speed results. Good work finding the original calculations. I think some of the things in the videos might go a fair bit higher than Mach 68 though.
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I think there's potential in exploring the possibility of Nier and Drakengard characters directly scaling to each other via Nier Reincarnation
It is written by Yoko Taro, and has characters from Drakengard 3, Nier and Nier Automata that should be able to fight on relative terms, and the villain is apparently
It is written by Yoko Taro, and has characters from Drakengard 3, Nier and Nier Automata that should be able to fight on relative terms, and the villain is apparently
the villain from Nier Automata too
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That could help with scaling everyone at once, especially given that Nier Replicant characters literally got all their world's magic power from the Drakengard 1 characters.
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Also the Drakengard 3 crossover trailer
The story itself could be looked into because Reincarnation has some timeline and parallel worlds going on, idk how well documented it is
The game itself has other direct connections
It was shut down so idk how to properly research it
The story itself could be looked into because Reincarnation has some timeline and parallel worlds going on, idk how well documented it is
The game itself has other direct connections
It was shut down so idk how to properly research it
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We can worry about the scaling later. Let's just get the Drakengard stuff spun up first. Already begun probing calc members for evaluation.
That said, I believe the Nier characters are ahead in the stags with equal AP and higher speed.
That said, I believe the Nier characters are ahead in the stags with equal AP and higher speed.
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Actually, the Drakengard cast currently has slightly higher AP, while the Automata cast has the highest speed and most abilities due to the futuristic technology.
The weird time and world consuming stuff is from D1 and D3. Anyway, for the speed at the moment AngryOrange has done well getting back the original calculations as our starting point, and we're trying to get our own calculation blogs for speed feats from D2's lightning.
The weird time and world consuming stuff is from D1 and D3. Anyway, for the speed at the moment AngryOrange has done well getting back the original calculations as our starting point, and we're trying to get our own calculation blogs for speed feats from D2's lightning.
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Calc has been approved.
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Looking at the numbers again. AP is much lower than what we have (but also a non issue since we already have a calc that gives significantly higher AP). But the speed lines up with the MHS.
And when the Legna page gets made she can have MHS+ attack speed with that beam of hers.
Drakengard Dodge
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Looking at the numbers again. AP is much lower than what we have (but also a non issue since we already have a calc that gives significantly higher AP). But the speed lines up with the MHS.
And when the Legna page gets made she can have MHS+ attack speed with that beam of hers.
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I think we should ask Dalesean or CloverDragon to evaluate, since I think two calc group members should approve it. Given that it's a reused OBD calc it should be easy enough, but still.Calc has been approved.
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This calculation was the speed justification before.
Legna is a he. Angelus is the female dragon.
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Angelus is not female, that's a localization thing
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From what I can tell, Angelus is still considered female, but the Japanese voice actor plays her as androgynous. She does still become the Goddess and is referred to as female. Plus apparently the concept of the older woman and younger man was part of the relationship roadmap.
Honestly, reading Taro's ideas behind the series, the core concepts of everyone in war automatically being bad, heroic figures being bad and so on is a lot like Game of Thrones, every bit as cynical and arguably even high-handed. Never mind that we're supposed to hate Caim for killing enemy soldiers in a war where his enemy literally plans to exterminate humanity... Meanwhile we aren't supposed to hate Manah for starting that war solely so she can watch the world suffer... At least Thrones doesn't get surprised when people hate Cersei and like Jon Snow.
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Well here's a question. I had made it a fair amount down the list before I got a bite. What happens if I can't get any second takers?
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That is a constant problem here. The Wiki heavily relies on its calc group members for evaluations, and there aren't enough of them, many of them are too lax, quite a few of them get driven off the site by a the workload or by conflicts, and more problems on top of that. Given that this is literally just a redo of the same calculation that was used before, it might be reasonable to ask admin staff like Antvasima or DarkDragonMedeus to approve it despite not being calc experts.
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Alright, Ant's approved the calc mod's approval.
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Good news.
While I think of it, do you think it's okay to create Nowe's page using my sandbox at this time?
