Some Sonic revisions

[Nexus9650]

Okay so, I saw that Sonic is about to get a BIG revision and I thought it would be interesting to note some of his feats:

BASE SONIC:

-Speed: In Sonic CD, Eggman steals the Time Stones which he can use to Time travel. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_CD#Plot. At the beegining sonic doesn't have any of the time stone but he can still time travel https://youtu.be/yKpS3ja7m7w?t=2m30s. Which means that he does this using his speed. This is Massively FTL+

STRENGHT/DURABILITY:

-Defeats Ultimate Emerl https://youtu.be/BXZZfktj2K0?t=23m24s

Ultimate Emerl had the Chaos Emeralds inside him which is why Sonic tried to use the Master Emerald in order to neutralize their powers, so they can weaken him, but it didn't worked: https://youtu.be/BXZZfktj2K0?t=20m20s. The Chaos Emeralds are also the power source for Super Sonic

-Survives a hit from the Time Eater https://youtu.be/SN_nnwlmjws?t=2h9m14s

-Somewhat damages the Time Eater https://youtu.be/0sYrn9vrm8k?t=1h12m34s

-Can restore the "space" by running https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9aDrY6SAOE&feature=youtu.be which should be a low-level reality warping

SUPER "SAYIAN" SONIC:

-He beats Solaris with the help of Super Shadow and Super Silver

Solaris's feats:

-Omnipresent through time(not space) https://youtu.be/tLN812WawlA?t=6m47s which means Sonic, Shadow and Silver should have also been at least Semi-Omnipresent through time in order to defeat it.

-Can destroy the existance https://youtu.be/tLN812WawlA?t=6m25s. It's not told directly that he is about to destroy the existance but by saying Solaris will consume "ALL EXISTING TIMELINES" this is what Eggman wants to tell. It's also mentioned he will destroy the concept of time itself

-Eggman says that the "shells" around his body anchor Solaris in their dimension https://youtu.be/tLN812WawlA?t=26m54s but at the part 2 of the battle those are destroyed which means he shouldn't be anchored in their dimension anymore https://youtu.be/tLN812WawlA?t=29m51s.

OTHER SONIC FEATS:

-He can share his super form, BUT this doesn't means he loses power by doing this so at the battle with Solaris he should have been at full power

-Super Sonic has Infinite speed(defeated Solaris and Time Eater)

-can capture enemies into a ball with the Magic hands ability https://youtu.be/ZFK8gN_vHuM?t=2m9s

-Can use "gems" which let's him use different abilities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NnVsrlEjwQ

-It's stated here that Sonic has Space-Time Manipulation http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Space-Time_Manipulation#Known_Users

-Super Sonic can deflect incoming attacks https://youtu.be/LE0EgdApKrg?t=22m21s

THINGS DON"T AGREE WITH:

-The positive energy from the emeralds is more powerful than the negative one/acts like a counter against the negative one. Reason: NO proof, but if you can give me one I will check it out

-Elise kissing Sonic gave him the full positive energy of the Chaos Emeralds. Reason: I can somewhat understand where this statement is coming from but again, no real proof. I still think he had the full positive chaos energy at the Solaris battle but not because of Elise

SPECIAL THANKS TO:

The guy who created this respect thread https://plus.google.com/+SonicTheHedgehog123/posts/82XGzWjDNy7

I hope it helped. Any feedback is welcomed!

 

[Anonimoe7875]

1. Time travel is not MFTL+ it's immesurable and he used a time machine made by eggman to be able to travel through time

2. if Emerl had Super Sonic power source then Sonic shoudn't be able to defeat him because that means Base Sonic is stronger than his super form and Emerl copied Sonic powers which make Emerl defeat a inconsistency

3/4. Time Eater was suppressed by eggman and Sonic needed his super form and help from another Sonic to defeat him - Inconsistency

6. Beating a omnipresent being don't give you omnipresence because if was it Sonic, Shadow and Silver would not need the time travel thing

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

I think we have been through with this thread before. im not sure.

 

[Nexus9650]

1. Time travel is not MFTL+ it's immesurable and he used a time machine made by eggman to be able to travel through time
2. if Emerl had Super Sonic power source then Sonic shoudn't be able to defeat him because that means Base Sonic is stronger than his super form and Emerl copied Sonic powers which make Emerl defeat a inconsistency

3/4. Time Eater was suppressed by eggman and Sonic needed his super form and help from another Sonic to defeat him - Inconsistency

6. Beating a omnipresent being don't give you omnipresence because if was it Sonic, Shadow and Silver would not need the time travel thing

I respect your disagreements but I can explain a bit more:

-First, it's not stated that the past/future posts represents a machine created by Eggman to time travel, it can very likely be a game mechanic

-Second, if Emerl had the Chaos Emeralds power, it does not automatically means he is as strong as Super Sonic, they are the power source for Super forms, Emerl did not turned super but used some of their powers still

-Third: Sonic only survived one punch from the Time Eater, two punched might have actually killed him, and when he damagbed him, he pretty much just made him leave in orded to not be a threat to Tails, and the amount of damage he did was clearly very small, but it's worth noting

-They are Semi-Omnipresent because it's stated that in order to defeat Solaris, you need to fight him in all chronological periods https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Solaris Check the durability section. Also the Semi-Omnipresent feat only applies to super forms

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

3. It was more of a warning hit imo but i dont think that should make his dura somewhat the same against time eater

4. They simply used Time Travel to stop him

 

[Nexus9650]

3. It was more of a warning hit imo but i dont think that should make his dura somewhat the same against time eater
4. They simply used Time Travel to stop him

He clearly is lower than Time Eater, because for example if a character is Universe level that doesn't mean he can destroy the universe instantly, so Sonic also didn't had to be universe level in durability to survive just ONE punch from a Universal buster

About the Time Travel, it could be right honestly, the game doesn't specify how they destroy all versions of Solaris and the most obvious thing for me is that they we're Semi-Omnipresent

 

[Anonimoe7875]

1. The game made clear he used that uh "things" to time travel also it would be a inconsistency because he never did anything like that before or we simply add Time travel to him

2. Still Emerl copied Sonic powers and had all emeralds Sonic beating Emerl is pure plot

3. If a universal character punched a city character it would be like this and Time Eater was clearly suppressesed by eggman

4. Dude you don't need to be omnipresent to kill a omnipresent being where did you get that?

Also youself said they needed the chronological periods to kill Solaris and if they were omnipresent they wouldn't need that

Extra: And yes if a character is universe level he can end the universe with a single attack (at least his most powerfull one) we don't use continue ap for characters

 

[Nexus9650]

3. If a universal character punched a city character it would be like this and Time Eater was clearly suppressesed by eggman
4. Dude you don't need to be omnipresent to kill a omnipresent being where did you get that?

Also youself said they needed the chronological periods to kill Solaris and if they were omnipresent they wouldn't need that

Well, Sonic is City level only for now, until Sera's revision is complete and even if Time Eater is Universal it doesn't mean he punched Sonic with full power, but Sonic surviving that should still be enough to show that he is way above City level

I did NOT said Sonic is Omnipresent, I clearly used a "SEMI" and the reason I think he is SEMI-Omnipresent throug time, not space is because you need to KILL Solaris SIMULTANEOUSLY through all time periods in order to defeat him, read the Dura section https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Solaris. This makes Time travel only be a solution if they could do this at an infinite speed and destroy every version of Solaris immediately which is kinda unlikely since Solaris is also infinite in speed

 

[Anonimoe7875]

You self said he didn't used full power and if so yes he could be city level while not serious so no upgrade or you want SS Mister Satan

Again why do you think he needed Shadow and Silver? and you said he was omnipresent through time so yes, you said he was omnipresent

 

[Nexus9650]

You self said he didn't used full power and if so yes he could be city level while not serious so no upgrade or you want SS Mister Satan
Again why do you think he needed Shadow and Silver? and you said he was omnipresent through time so yes, you said he was omnipresent

I think city level is still too downplayed since Time Eater is low 2-C. Sonic surviving that is a Tier 3 feat still, considering TE did not used full power. If you think this feat is outlier/PIS that's another story but saying it's 7B is kinda exagerated. BTW, don't forget he did some very tiny damage on the Time Eater in this scene https://youtu.be/0sYrn9vrm8k?t=1h12m34s

Also, in the fight with Solaris I think he needed the help of Shadow and Silver bc he was either not strong enough to defeat Solaris only by himself or he wasn't fully omnipresent throught time like Solaris, just SEMI-Omnipresent, and he needed some help in order to defeat all of Solaris's versions simultaneously. Do I really need to do more explanation??

 

[Anonimoe7875]

No, we don't give upgrades because a character took a hit from a infinitely stronger suppressesed character

the thing is he needed his super form and the help from another Sonic to defeat him which would make that feats PIS or outliers so again no upgrade because Time Eater was suppressesed by eggman and he needed extra help to truly damage him

Yes they could defeat Solaris by themselves, because each character beat Solaris without the help from another character

Sonic defeated by himself present Solaris, Shadow defeated past Solaris and Silver defeated future Solaris

Solaris is SEMI-Omnipresent and it doesn't make sense if you think they are omnipresent when they needed time travel and others characters because they wasn't omnipresent like Solaris to beat him normaly, so yes you need morre explanation

 

[Fgrnbd123]

2. if Emerl had Super Sonic power source then Sonic shoudn't be able to defeat him because that means Base Sonic is stronger than his super form


super sonic is just a multiplier for sonic that also gives him invulerability, the multiplier has only been mentioned to make the user who has the ability to use the true power of the emeralds 1000x more powerful in the comic's which aren't canon to the actual series but archie cannot make false claims about sonic so the multiplier should be acceptable since there is no official one but that. emerl cannot harness the true power of the chaos emeralds unlike sonic, shadow and silver so it's not supprising sonic beat him.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

No, Super Sonic already defeated enemies far stronger than 1000x base Sonic.

He argued for Super Sonic = Emerl due to Emerl using the Chaos Emeralds, but i guess that make sense

 

[Fgrnbd123]

he's incorrect about power source because only shadow, sonic and silver can use its true power which is why they were able to beat solaris but ulimate emerl was very powerful so even if he didn't use the emeralds true power its and its safe to say ultimate emerl is planet buster.

it's also very impressive that base sonic beat him.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Sonic defeating Ultimate Emerl make his others tier 5 feats morre consistent...

 

[Fgrnbd123]

ye

 

[Magi_Hussie]

I'm gonna leave a comment here for notifications.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

bump

 

[Dark649]

Don't bump old threads, this will be closed as the revision will be handled by Sera and other users.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

I forget this was a necro...

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Don't bump old threads, this will be closed as the revision will be handled by Sera and other users.

Oh, sorry about that, I didn't notice.

 

[Fgrnbd123]

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?img...PjVAhXsBcAKHajrAn0QMwgoKAMwAw&iact=mrc&uact=8

sonic along side shadow and silver can gain infinite speed and strength when they become super. NOTE:Only those 3 have access to this power

 

[Dark649]

That's NLF and an image from Sonic X a different continuity, also i have to close this necro thread.

 

[Fgrnbd123]

what does nfl mean? and also shouldn't this be on the sonic x sonic page?

 

[Fgrnbd123]

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?img...vjVAhWjDMAKHRoGA5UQMwgpKAQwBA&iact=mrc&uact=8

super sonic was stated to be close to omnipotent alongside super ix

 

[Fgrnbd123]

this one is from a game

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Why was this re-opened?

 

[Dark649]

Why was this re-opened?

Don't worry i will fix that, also we don't rate characters onnipotent or infinite speed because of vague sources.