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The title is pretty self-explanatory.
First off, Tatsuya Suou has a loss to Giorno Giovanna on his profile, yet Giorno does not have this match recorded on his own. Either the win should be added to Giorno's profile, or the loss removed from Tatsuya's. Additionally, Tatsuya's Powers and Abilities section ought to be updated/elaborated on in general, with it being woefully sparse and unhelpful relative to explaining all of his powers... no mention of Almighty attacks, or Gravity Manipulation via the Gry line of skills... etc.
Similarly, Maya Amano's profile is in need of... general upkeep, really, there's just a lot of little things that really need tweaking (especially all of the cheeky commentary offered that seems to not really help the profile communicate anything helpful- "Longinus-spear wielding Hitler" is a cute enough reference to Nyarlathotep's avatar and all, but unless she actually has a notable weakness to spears/Longinus/etc. it doesn't really help people understand her capabilities at all.) Really, it just feels... unprofessional, I guess.
Both of the above are considered MFTL+ via scaling to Nyarlathotep, yet Nyarlathotep itself is only "At least Speed of Light, possibly Omniscient." There's a discrepancy here, where one doesn't align with the other... so which is right?
Moving on to Persona 5, I have reason to believe that Yaldabaoth: and by extension, Joker/Akira/Ren/whatever you'll call him: is considerably more powerful than his profile suggests. In order to explain why, I'll need to offer a little bit more background on P2, so please bear with me here-
So, basically, there's this super-powerful deity that has allied itself with humanity known as Philemon, right? He is the good counterpart to the aforementioned Nyarlathotep (and considered its equal and rival, generally speaking), and is the being that Igor of the Velvet Room serves. Indeed, by all accounts, this would make Philemon the master of the Velvet Room itself, or the closest thing to it... important to note, the Velvet Room is quite likely a complete universe in and of itself, given attacks such as Morning Star and Cosmic Flare in Persona 5 can still be used within it, and so dominion over it might amount to a Low 2-C ranking for Philemon of its own accord. Even if it doesn't, he is at least equal to Nyarlathotep- heck, he even directly fights the protagonists as a secret superboss at one point...
This is important because one of Yaldabaoth's most notable feats is completely usurping control over the Velvet Room, i.e. completely and utterly overpowering Igor and, as far as I'm able to tell, Philemon. There'd be no reason for Philemon to not step in to try to stop a malignant influence from taking control of his realm, and we know as a fact that Philemon is involved with the place between games- he's a main story character in 1 and 2, and if his Wiki page is any indication then Word of God states that he's watching the protagonists of 3 and 4 in his butterfly form.
On top of that? We know that Yaldabaoth was capable of merging the Metaverse with the human world as well, and given aforementioned cosmic-scale feats, and the general nature of the Metaverse as being based on human cognition of our own entire real world as we've come to understand it through science(i.e. our knowledge of the observable universe), it seems to make sense to me that each of these worlds would be in reference to the entire universes that they take place in, rather than merely the planet Earth and a cognition replica thereof. Of course, if all of this isn't enough, there's the alternate/"Law" bad ending where you forge a pact with Yaldabaoth to preserve the public's memory of the Phantom Thieves rather than challenge Yaldabaoth's rule in Mementos, in which he seemingly resets the timeline to the point prior to the merging of the Metaverse and the real world. Quite possibly another Universe level+ feat...
All while seemingly constantly suppressing- quite casually- a Universe level+ being whose existence is inexorably tied to the Velvet Room itself. And this is all just in its Holy Grail form...
Basically, I would place The Holy Grail at "Universe level+, likely Multi-Universe level", and Yaldabaoth's true form at some unknown level higher than that.
...also, side note, would Philemon, potentially, be able to scale from Joker's speed feat? I imagine its quite possible the answer is no, since any conflict Philemon/the Velvet Room attendants and Yaldabaoth had was all off-screen and what-not (and Philemon/the Attendants were seemingly defeated without much hassle), but for what its worth Caroline and Justine (Persona 5's Velvet Room attendants) are able to pretty easily keep up with a Mid-Game Joker.
I guess I'd also ask if Nyarlathotep got to scale, but since the games seem to be in chronological order (references to 3 as part of 4's main plot, a cameo by Rise in 5) I suppose that's even less likely- were Philemon to scale to the feat, it would've happened after the point in the time at which he directly rivaled Nyarlathotep.
One other thing- would it perhaps be pertinent to rename Ren's page to simply "The Protagonist (Persona 5)", with both Akira Kurusu and Ren Amamiya redirecting to that? The Protagonist of Persona 3 has a similar thing going on, since they too have multiple "canon" names from different sources.
And, lastly, concerning the early-game Phantom Thieves... I believe that Large Building level might be too small for them. The feat in question regards the casual creation of a castle-based Palace, not to mention the sizable bit of land around it, by the first true villain the Phantom Thieves face, Kamoshida. Castles, however- especially very large ones like the palace in question- are generally regarding as about City Block-sized, and thus the feat would be closer to City Block level. However, if one Yojimbo1989 is to be trusted on the matter, Kaneshiro's palace encompasses the entirety of Shibuya, making it over 15 square kilometers... that sounds like it may warrant a higher rating than City Block level, even. Yeah, no?
So, what does everyone think of these suggestions?
First off, Tatsuya Suou has a loss to Giorno Giovanna on his profile, yet Giorno does not have this match recorded on his own. Either the win should be added to Giorno's profile, or the loss removed from Tatsuya's. Additionally, Tatsuya's Powers and Abilities section ought to be updated/elaborated on in general, with it being woefully sparse and unhelpful relative to explaining all of his powers... no mention of Almighty attacks, or Gravity Manipulation via the Gry line of skills... etc.
Similarly, Maya Amano's profile is in need of... general upkeep, really, there's just a lot of little things that really need tweaking (especially all of the cheeky commentary offered that seems to not really help the profile communicate anything helpful- "Longinus-spear wielding Hitler" is a cute enough reference to Nyarlathotep's avatar and all, but unless she actually has a notable weakness to spears/Longinus/etc. it doesn't really help people understand her capabilities at all.) Really, it just feels... unprofessional, I guess.
Both of the above are considered MFTL+ via scaling to Nyarlathotep, yet Nyarlathotep itself is only "At least Speed of Light, possibly Omniscient." There's a discrepancy here, where one doesn't align with the other... so which is right?
Moving on to Persona 5, I have reason to believe that Yaldabaoth: and by extension, Joker/Akira/Ren/whatever you'll call him: is considerably more powerful than his profile suggests. In order to explain why, I'll need to offer a little bit more background on P2, so please bear with me here-
So, basically, there's this super-powerful deity that has allied itself with humanity known as Philemon, right? He is the good counterpart to the aforementioned Nyarlathotep (and considered its equal and rival, generally speaking), and is the being that Igor of the Velvet Room serves. Indeed, by all accounts, this would make Philemon the master of the Velvet Room itself, or the closest thing to it... important to note, the Velvet Room is quite likely a complete universe in and of itself, given attacks such as Morning Star and Cosmic Flare in Persona 5 can still be used within it, and so dominion over it might amount to a Low 2-C ranking for Philemon of its own accord. Even if it doesn't, he is at least equal to Nyarlathotep- heck, he even directly fights the protagonists as a secret superboss at one point...
This is important because one of Yaldabaoth's most notable feats is completely usurping control over the Velvet Room, i.e. completely and utterly overpowering Igor and, as far as I'm able to tell, Philemon. There'd be no reason for Philemon to not step in to try to stop a malignant influence from taking control of his realm, and we know as a fact that Philemon is involved with the place between games- he's a main story character in 1 and 2, and if his Wiki page is any indication then Word of God states that he's watching the protagonists of 3 and 4 in his butterfly form.
On top of that? We know that Yaldabaoth was capable of merging the Metaverse with the human world as well, and given aforementioned cosmic-scale feats, and the general nature of the Metaverse as being based on human cognition of our own entire real world as we've come to understand it through science(i.e. our knowledge of the observable universe), it seems to make sense to me that each of these worlds would be in reference to the entire universes that they take place in, rather than merely the planet Earth and a cognition replica thereof. Of course, if all of this isn't enough, there's the alternate/"Law" bad ending where you forge a pact with Yaldabaoth to preserve the public's memory of the Phantom Thieves rather than challenge Yaldabaoth's rule in Mementos, in which he seemingly resets the timeline to the point prior to the merging of the Metaverse and the real world. Quite possibly another Universe level+ feat...
All while seemingly constantly suppressing- quite casually- a Universe level+ being whose existence is inexorably tied to the Velvet Room itself. And this is all just in its Holy Grail form...
Basically, I would place The Holy Grail at "Universe level+, likely Multi-Universe level", and Yaldabaoth's true form at some unknown level higher than that.
...also, side note, would Philemon, potentially, be able to scale from Joker's speed feat? I imagine its quite possible the answer is no, since any conflict Philemon/the Velvet Room attendants and Yaldabaoth had was all off-screen and what-not (and Philemon/the Attendants were seemingly defeated without much hassle), but for what its worth Caroline and Justine (Persona 5's Velvet Room attendants) are able to pretty easily keep up with a Mid-Game Joker.
I guess I'd also ask if Nyarlathotep got to scale, but since the games seem to be in chronological order (references to 3 as part of 4's main plot, a cameo by Rise in 5) I suppose that's even less likely- were Philemon to scale to the feat, it would've happened after the point in the time at which he directly rivaled Nyarlathotep.
One other thing- would it perhaps be pertinent to rename Ren's page to simply "The Protagonist (Persona 5)", with both Akira Kurusu and Ren Amamiya redirecting to that? The Protagonist of Persona 3 has a similar thing going on, since they too have multiple "canon" names from different sources.
And, lastly, concerning the early-game Phantom Thieves... I believe that Large Building level might be too small for them. The feat in question regards the casual creation of a castle-based Palace, not to mention the sizable bit of land around it, by the first true villain the Phantom Thieves face, Kamoshida. Castles, however- especially very large ones like the palace in question- are generally regarding as about City Block-sized, and thus the feat would be closer to City Block level. However, if one Yojimbo1989 is to be trusted on the matter, Kaneshiro's palace encompasses the entirety of Shibuya, making it over 15 square kilometers... that sounds like it may warrant a higher rating than City Block level, even. Yeah, no?
So, what does everyone think of these suggestions?
