- 22,040
- 18,117
Baste Calculation
In the revision thread, I explained my grievances with the Baste calculation. It was kind of ignored by all but a few.Looking at the actual size, I think they may have exaggerated it at long distance. Close up, the room-sized windows aren't that big, and characters like Diane are even larger than the lower sections. Similarly, normal humans aren't absolutely dwarfed by the lower levels.
TL;DR Baste is drawn much larger from a distance. Although there's several panels of the larger depiction, the smaller size is way, way more consistent.
Rescaling and Upgrades
Ban < Meliodas
This is important for the rescaling. Bare with me until the end.In the Danafor fight, it's stated that Meliodas' punches are equal to several of Ban's. Ban then proceeds to steal his strength and seemingly gain and advantage, but it's revealed to be a complete deception. Meliodas even continues pummelling Ban until almost the very last moment and withstands his punch in a virtually powerless state.
That being said, I don't think Ban is absolutely enormously below Meliodas in this particular scene. Ban is a glass cannon, and was making Meliodas bleed at a weaker level of power. You can soften up, but you can't outright lower your durability.
Also, Ban has a strength level of 930, while Meliodas' is 960. That might not mean much, though, because mini-Diane was comparable to Meliodas with a strength of 950.
Debunking some counter-arguments
They've had numerous arm wrestling competitionsIt's strongly implied that they were fooling around during all these competitions, which is substantiated by the fact that Meliodas was playfighting with Ban ever since he first met him. Keep in mind that Meliodas met Ban and started the count before he was was reduced to his BoS levels of power.
It's also explained in the Baste Arc that even Ban himself doesn't actually have a full grasp on Meliodas' power. So he was narratively holding back that whole time.
Edit: Meliodas' powers were stripped 10 years before the series, during the time that the Sins were expelled. Literally all of their counts, then, happened when Meliodas was unsealed.
Knights scaling
Most of the knights, including BoS Howzer and Slader (who seemingly gets stronger), are below Meliodas, despite the later having physical strength on Ban's level. The Dawn Roar (all of whom have weapons that are similar to Sacred Treasures, as is bog standard for Holy Knights by the time of Howzer's early years) were having a very tough against Dale, and Slader even admitted that a couple of them would be killed by his powered up state. Comparatively, Meliodas with Liz's weapon easily killed Dale at full power.
Since all Holy Knights inherently scale above their own physical strength due to having Sacred Treasure-like weaponry, the argument that people weaker than Ban have fought Meliodas (even though Meliodas himself fought Gilthunder and Hendrickson at the same time) is nullified.
There's probably more, but I just don't have the effort to explain all this scaling.
Rescaling
My Ban calculation, which is just over 100 kilotons, was accepted here. However, I think Ban still has more than enough reason to scale to the Meliodas that split the mountain in two since it's literally an extremely casual airslash with a twig. Twigs aren't weapons that draw out full potential, they're blunt objects with hardly any mass, so aside from being casual, it would probably scale decently below even Meliodas' restrained punches or the strength he uses to harm people that Ban can harm.As I said before, Meliodas' punches are equal to several of Ban's. Several often means 3-4, though some members have also pointed out that it can mean 2-11 with certain definitions. I'll just assume 3-4 for now because that's what we use for our Full Counter scaling and 3-4 is, in all honesty, more prominent than just "more than two".
- Tree Calculation = 309 - 412 kilotons. Large Town level.
- Twig Calculation = 590 - 787 kilotons. Large Town level+.
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