Some janemba Fixes and addition

[Killerdrone123]

So on Janemba's Profile I saw this

Possibly Abstract Existence (Type 2; Stated to be the crystallisation of Evil Spirit itself)

Well I think instead of possibly his AE should be solid because of following reasons below.

Janemba was said to be a being made from the evil ideas that were released from the soul cleansing machine after the little demon absorbed them he was also stated to be the very embodiment of evil ideas a being made from countless evil souls.

So instead of possibly AE it should be

Abstract Existence (Type 2 Ideas/Thought; Stated to be the crystallisation of Evil intent/ideas itself,Stated to be a being made from evil ideas released from the soul cleansing machine and also the very embodiment of Evil Ideas itself made from countless Evil spirits)

He should also have Low Godly Regeneration as Janemba is a being made from countless evil spirits/souls and souls in db have low godly regen as explained here

So that's it for now

Agree;DarkDragonMedeus,LephyrTheRevanchist,Oblivion_Of_The_Endless,LordGriffin1000

Neutral;

Disagree;FinePoint( For solid AE type 2 thinks it should remain as possibly)

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Agreed

 

[Tuxidoe_Redo]

Agree although not sure about the abstract being made of thoughts. Idea/concept is fine

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I don't remember why we even settled with possibly, so I suppose is fine

Low godly is fine too

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Pretty straightforward, idek why it was only capped at a possibly

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Looks good, I agree.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Makes sense to me.

 

[FinePoint]

I disagree, personally, at least based on the language in those translations.

It sounds more like they're just infused with evil ideas, rather than being the true embodiment of the concept itself.

"The Psyche Oni was so engrossed in dancing that he forgot to replace the tank, and absorbed all of the intense evil ideas that had overflowed from it."

I think Possibly makes more sense when that's considered in contrast to the statement of being the embodiment of evil ideas.

 

[Killerdrone123]

I disagree, personally, at least based on the language in those translations.

It sounds more like they're just infused with evil ideas, rather than being the true embodiment of the concept itself.

"The Psyche Oni was so engrossed in dancing that he forgot to replace the tank, and absorbed all of the intense evil ideas that had overflowed from it."

I think Possibly makes more sense when that's considered in contrast to the statement of being the embodiment of evil ideas.

He is literally called the embodiment of evil ideas directly in this scan

Also just to give you further contexts the soul cleansing machine removed evil from the evil souls in hell before they are reincarnated so there is that to

So he very much is a being made from evil ideas

 

[FinePoint]

He is literally called the embodiment of evil ideas directly in this scan

Also just to give you further contexts the soul cleansing machine removed evil from the evil souls in hell before they are reincarnated so there is that to

So he very much is a being made from evil ideas

I know, but how fiction defines "embodiment" isn't always the same as how we define it, and the context from the other scan seems to indicate he's just infused with evil ideas.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I disagree, personally, at least based on the language in those translations.

It sounds more like they're just infused with evil ideas, rather than being the true embodiment of the concept itself.

"The Psyche Oni was so engrossed in dancing that he forgot to replace the tank, and absorbed all of the intense evil ideas that had overflowed from it."

I think Possibly makes more sense when that's considered in contrast to the statement of being the embodiment of evil ideas.

He’s stated to be the crystallization of evil ideas, and it’s said the evil energy that’s apart of the otherworld is already a part of him; consequently, it gives that as an explanation to how he can attack from anywhere. Also, him the result of the evil from the spirit machine doesn’t contradict him being the embodiment of evil. I don’t see why him being born from evil is a contradiction of him being an AE type 2 being.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I disagree, personally, at least based on the language in those translations.

It sounds more like they're just infused with evil ideas, rather than being the true embodiment of the concept itself.

"The Psyche Oni was so engrossed in dancing that he forgot to replace the tank, and absorbed all of the intense evil ideas that had overflowed from it."

This doesn't contradict Janemba being the embodiment. What this explains is how the oni became Janemba. Both statements can be true.

 

[FinePoint]

This doesn't contradict Janemba being the embodiment. What this explains is how the oni became Janemba. Both statements can be true.

Not necessarily, but it does cast serious doubt over what they mean exactly by embodiment, enough that I see the purpose of the possibly.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Not necessarily, but it does cast serious doubt over what they mean exactly by embodiment, enough that I see the purpose of the possibly.

When we add what ICE brought up, it seems clear-cut what they mean with "embodiment" imo.

But I can understand the doubt anyways. Just wanted to clarify how the statement you brought up can be reconciled with the rest of the evidence.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

This is a strange one to me, technically the psyche oni is just the host. He's exposed to the souls evil and absorbs it, this creates Janemba in question who would be considered the embodiment of the evil so he'd be the physical manifestation of the abstract evil, the psyche oni just being a host as shown when Gogeta purifies him, nothing happens to the oni, proving it was its own thing.

Only real issue here in my opinion is that one could argue that it's the souls being evil but...

He’s stated to be the crystallization of evil ideas, and it’s said the evil energy that’s apart of the otherworld is already a part of him; consequently, it gives that as an explanation to how he can attack from anywhere. Also, him the result of the evil from the spirit machine doesn’t contradict him being the embodiment of evil. I don’t see why him being born from evil is a contradiction of him being an AE type 2 being.

The second scan in this post hints that Janemba is connected to the evil energy around the underworld, not strictly just the souls but the ambient evil energy. So effectively I'd see it as Janemba is the collection of souls and all the evil ideas that have yet to be purified by the machine, his reach extended by the evil energy in general and defined as the embodiment of it with the oni just being a the first thing it latched on to.

So yeah, he technically should be considered a solid type 2 abstraction of evil as that's what he's manifesting from and is connected to. I think there is a character just like this but I'll need to check.

 

[FinePoint]

But I can understand the doubt anyways. Just wanted to clarify how the statement you brought up can be reconciled with the rest of the evidence.

Well, if it couldn't be reconciled it wouldn't even be a possibly.

As for what ICE brought up:

"So to speak, Janemba is fitting to be called the crystallisation of evil intent itself."
"Could it be that this entire world, filled with evil energy, is already part of Janenba!?"

One is "so to speak" and the second is a question, so I maintain my reasonable doubt.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Snip

What are your thoughts on low godly regen

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Well, if it couldn't be reconciled it wouldn't even be a possibly.

As for what ICE brought up:

"So to speak, Janemba is fitting to be called the crystallisation of evil intent itself."
"Could it be that this entire world, filled with evil energy, is already part of Janenba!?"

One is "so to speak" and the second is a question, so I maintain my reasonable doubt.

I don’t see how “So to speak” is unclear, but the second one seems to clearly be a rhetorical question imo.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

What are your thoughts on low godly regen

Since he's his own entity made up of souls that just used the oni as a host so to speak, he should have it since spirit that still have their forms have it (as it's accepted in the other thread). I think it's acceptable.

 

[FinePoint]

I don’t see how “So to speak” is unclear, but the second one seems to clearly be a rhetorical question imo.

Via Oxford Languages:

so to speak
Used to highlight the fact that one is describing something in an unusual or metaphorical way.
"Delving into the body's secrets, I looked death in the face, so to speak."

 

[AwkguyDB]

I agree with this ofc good job

 

[Shar122]

Looks good, I agree with this.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Via Oxford Languages:

so to speak
Used to highlight the fact that one is describing something in an unusual or metaphorical way.
"Delving into the body's secrets, I looked death in the face, so to speak."

Fair enough, but regarding the point where it talks about the evil in the Otherworld. I talked to one of the VSBW translation helpers, and they told me that it reads more as a realization, then a state of being unsure if he’s truly apart of the evil in the world.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Since the Grace has already finished,changes have been applied this can be closed