Some DB Questions

[Ganasto]

Hi, this is my first post here and I usually look at DB pages for references, but I've come across some things that I don't know the reasoning behind. If these questions can't be answered I'll try to make a CRT

1. Why do UIO3 Goku, MUI Goku, LSSJ Broly, and Jiren not have low multiversal range via scaling to Gods? I know that scaling to a character in terms of strength doesn't necessarily mean you have their range, but then why do people like Cabba and others have universal range.

2. If they do not get low multiversal range for whatever reason, why doesn't Jiren have interdimensional range for being able to attack Hit while being trapped in his time cage unless I'm missing something, I was always under the impression that Hit's time cage is another dimension.

3. Would Piccolo get multiple selves for this scene right here idk might be a reach. 2:21

4. Why isn't Piccolo 3-A, higher with special beam cannon. His justification on his profile for being 3-A is that he was comparable to Frost who is comparable to Super Saiyan Goku, but with his special beam cannon he took out one of the universe 6 namekians who were comparable with Ultimate Gohan.

5. Why isn't Krillin's Current Key High 4-C, higher with Destructo Disc? It's always been his strongest attack and despite being a lot weaker than Nappa, it caused Vegeta to believe that if Krillin's destructo disc hit Nappa, it would have killed him. Also it was able to cut off Frieza's tail who was a lot stronger than him.

6. Why do Goten and Trunks only have FTL+ speed and Tien, Roshi, and Krillin have Massively FTL speed? I can't find it now but if iirc the only reason why they weren't chosen was because they lacked experience. I believe they were noted to be stronger than the humans which I believe would also scale to their speed.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

1. Why do UIO3 Goku, MUI Goku, LSSJ Broly, and Jiren not have low multiversal range via scaling to Gods? I know that scaling to a character in terms of strength doesn't necessarily mean you have their range, but then why do people like Cabba and others have universal range.

You are right, they should have it, plus everyone who scales to sign goku should also have high 3-A range.

2. If they do not get low multiversal range for whatever reason, why doesn't Jiren have interdimensional range for being able to attack Hit while being trapped in his time cage unless I'm missing something, I was always under the impression that Hit's time cage is another dimension.

That makes sense, probably make a CRT or something.

3. Would Piccolo get multiple selves for this scene right here idk might be a reach.

maybe.

4. Why isn't Piccolo 3-A, higher with special beam cannon. His justification on his profile for being 3-A is that he was comparable to Frost who is comparable to Super Saiyan Goku, but with his special beam cannon he took out one of the universe 6 namekians who were comparable with Ultimate Gohan.

that's good makes sense.

5. Why isn't Krillin's Current Key High 4-C, higher with Destructo Disc? It's always been his strongest attack and despite being a lot weaker than Nappa, it caused Vegeta to believe that if Krillin's destructo disc hit Nappa, it would have killed him. Also it was able to cut off Frieza's tail who was a lot stronger than him.

That should probably be added, we do treat destructo disk as much higher AP than normal attacks.

6. Why do Goten and Trunks only have FTL+ speed and Tien, Roshi, and Krillin have Massively FTL speed? I can't find it now but if iirc the only reason why they weren't chosen was because they lacked experience. I believe they were noted to be stronger than the humans which I believe would also scale to their speed.

wtf, they probably forgot to change that when MFTL became a thing.
Just make a CRT for most of these.

 

[Rez]

3. Would Piccolo get multiple selves for this scene right here idk might be a reach. 2:21

4. Why isn't Piccolo 3-A, higher with special beam cannon. His justification on his profile for being 3-A is that he was comparable to Frost who is comparable to Super Saiyan Goku, but with his special beam cannon he took out one of the universe 6 namekians who were comparable with Ultimate Gohan.

Yeah the multiple selves part is probably a bit of an reach

Valid point he should have an higher with SBC added to his profile

2. If they do not get low multiversal range for whatever reason, why doesn't Jiren have interdimensional range for being able to attack Hit while being trapped in his time cage unless I'm missing something, I was always under the impression that Hit's time cage is another dimension.

This will also affect Goku's range too

6. Why do Goten and Trunks only have FTL+ speed and Tien, Roshi, and Krillin have Massively FTL speed? I can't find it now but if iirc the only reason why they weren't chosen was because they lacked experience. I believe they were noted to be stronger than the humans which I believe would also scale to their speed.

Because they did absolutely nothing in super so it's kinda hard to upgrade then but if you can find the statement of them being stronger than humans this should be valid

5. Why isn't Krillin's Current Key High 4-C, higher with Destructo Disc? It's always been his strongest attack and despite being a lot weaker than Nappa, it caused Vegeta to believe that if Krillin's destructo disc hit Nappa, it would have killed him. Also it was able to cut off Frieza's tail who was a lot stronger than him.

Yeah a higher via destruco disk should be vaild

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Because they did absolutely nothing in super so it's kinda hard to upgrade then but if you can find the statement of them being stronger than humans this should be valid

That's not the point, goten and trunks scale above namek goku who's MFTL, so they are MFTL, the profiles are outdated.

 

[Rez]

That's not the point, goten and trunks scale above namek goku who's MFTL, so they are MFTL, the profiles are outdated.

Oh yeah they should be mftl than easily

 

[Ganasto]

Should I just make a CRT with everything here or do you think I'll need some more proof for the Goten and Trunks part. Also, in case they don't get low multi range, is there actually any proof of hit's time cage being another dimension with a separate space-time

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Frost shouldn't even be comparable to U6 Saga SSJ Goku. At least in the U6 Saga.

Goku was clearly just testing Frost's power as he didn't knew Frost was evil yet and wanted to test his power to see if he's strong.

That would be like giving Krillin 3-A because he made Goku go SSJ in their battle

This would mean that Piccolo should lose his 3-A rating before the ToP, and instead move his 3-A rating to his ToP self

 

[Ganasto]

Frost shouldn't even be comparable to U6 Saga SSJ Goku. At least in the U6 Saga.

Goku was clearly just testing Frost's power as he didn't knew Frost was evil yet and wanted to test his power to see if he's strong.

That would be like giving Krillin 3-A because he made Goku go SSJ in their battle

This would mean that Piccolo should lose his 3-A rating before the ToP, and instead move his 3-A rating to his ToP self

I watched it again, I don't think he's comparable to U6 SSJ Goku, but he's atleast comparable to base. It's not like with Krillin where Goku was obviously trying to make Krillin feel good about himself or something. It's actually a fight

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Goku is known to test the power of his opponents in battle. He didn't knew Frost was evil and thus did not take the battle seriously

Goku usually holds back when facing a new enemy. Even with Jiren he did not went to SSB from the start and attacked him with lower forms

This is also seen when Vegeta battled Frost, and there he demolished Frost and effortlessly knocked him out, even though he held back against Frost during their battle to not kill him instantly

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Should I just make a CRT with everything here or do you think I'll need some more proof for the Goten and Trunks part. Also, in case they don't get low multi range, is there actually any proof of hit's time cage being another dimension with a separate space-time

You need no proof for goten and trunks, it's literally just an editing mistake.

 

[sanicspood]

high 3-A range

noone should get that cuz the wov isn't infinite

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

noone should get that cuz the wov isn't infinite

What? It is?

 

[sanicspood]

yes.... have u lived under a rock? its a mistranslation

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

yes.... have u lived under a rock? its a mistranslation

I do live in a cave idk if that qualifies, but that is still on the profile. Do you have a source for that?

 

[sanicspood]

I do live in a cave idk if that qualifies, but that is still on the profile. Do you have a source for that?

Line in text: （ビルス）時間も空間もない 永遠と虚無だけに満ちた世界だ。

Jikan mo kūkan mo nai eien to kyomu dake ni michita sekaida.

永遠 = eternal.

The world of void being “infinite” is a mistranslation.

English text: “It’s a world full of eternal nothingness with no time or space.”

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740384249101942877/787619907528294410/video0.mov

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Line in text: （ビルス）時間も空間もない 永遠と虚無だけに満ちた世界だ。

Jikan mo kūkan mo nai eien to kyomu dake ni michita sekaida.

永遠 = eternal.

The world of void being “infinite” is a mistranslation.

English text: “It’s a world full of eternal nothingness with no time or space.”

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740384249101942877/787619907528294410/video0.mov

That still implies that it's infinite.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

That still implies that it's infinite.

"Eternal" means that it last forever, not that it's endless in size

 

[sanicspood]

that depends if the staff agree with eternal still implying infinite here, last time i checked they actually dont

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

"Eternal" means that it last forever, not that it's endless in size

Well I think it could also mean that it stretches on forever, so even if you keep going you will find no end because it goes on forever.

 

[Ganasto]

that depends if the staff agree with eternal still implying infinite here, last time i checked they actually dont

Goku does have high uni range on his profile though

 

[sanicspood]

outdated

 

[Ganasto]

outdated

Do we even know if Android 18 and the Old Kai can sense an infinite distance being affected. How would they know the entire WoV (if it was infinite) was being shaken

 

[sanicspood]

Do we even know if Android 18 and the Old Kai can sense an infinite distance being affected. How would they know the entire WoV (if it was infinite) was being shaken

idk

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Do we even know if Android 18 and the Old Kai can sense an infinite distance being affected. How would they know the entire WoV (if it was infinite) was being shaken

You can literally see the void being shaken.

 

[Ganasto]

You can literally see the void being shaken.

Would that mean the entire "infinite" void was being shaken or just the part that they can see

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Would that mean the entire "infinite" void was being shaken or just the part that they can see

They said it and meant the whole thing. I'm pretty sure they said the entire thing was being effected.

 

[Ganasto]

They said it and meant the whole thing. I'm pretty sure they said the entire thing was being effected.

Yeah but would they be able to know/sense the entirity of the infinite void being shaken

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Yeah but would they be able to know/sense the entirity of the infinite void being shaken

Well they felt everything they can sense being effected, but they shouldn't be able to tell that an infinite distance was being effected. Maybe the writers forgot and that statement was there for exposition.

 

[AKM sama]

1. Low Multiversal range needs to be depicted because it ventures outside of the normal 3 dimensions. The GoDs have shown to be able to affect multiple universes in their fight. Other characters haven't. As for Cabba and the rest getting Universal range, they are simply scaled from others using Occam's razor. It doesn't require the same amount of evidence.

2. You don't get low-multiversal range for hitting someone in another dimension. You get interdimensional range. But Hit's Time Cage doesn't send Jiren to another dimension anyway.

3. No. That's just fusion.

4. Yes, he should be higher with SBC as it has more AP than normal by a good amount.

5. Higher with Destructo Disc should be fine too.

6. I think they just forgot to edit those pages.

 

[Ganasto]

1. Low Multiversal range needs to be depicted because it ventures outside of the normal 3 dimensions. The GoDs have shown to be able to affect multiple universes in their fight. Other characters haven't. As for Cabba and the rest getting Universal range, they are simply scaled from others using Occam's razor. It doesn't require the same amount of evidence.

2. You don't get low-multiversal range for hitting someone in another dimension. You get interdimensional range. But Hit's Time Cage doesn't send Jiren to another dimension anyway.

3. No. That's just fusion.

4. Yes, he should be higher with SBC as it has more AP than normal by a good amount.

5. Higher with Destructo Disc should be fine too.

6. I think they just forgot to edit those pages.

I already made a CRT for this, you should probably respond there

 

[AKM sama]

I already made a CRT for this, you should probably respond there

Link?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Link?

CRT

 

[AKM sama]

I'll close this one then.