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Some Additional Son Goku's Abilities

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[Son Goku (Dragon Ball)]
Resistance to:​
[Son Goku (DBS Anime)]
Resistance to:​
Limited Resistance to:​
[Son Goku (DBS Manga)]
Resistance to:​
Limited Resistance to:​
Note:
  • For the Fire Manipulation feat there is a difference in the form of Goku's energy in general with the blue flame he uses to block Jiren's attack
  • For the limited Attack Reflection, Sous Roas' energy is seen to shrink and then Goku returns it with the same size to Sous Roas
Agree: @LephyrTheRevanchist @Reiner04 @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
 
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The literal third line in the post reads "[removing] distractions and focusing the mind".
The fifth reads "he mastered a tranquil state of mind".
What Goku learned was how to eliminate unnecessary thoughts, which erases his Ki and enables unconscious sensing of vital information.
At best, he could receive a Limited Instinctive Action in the form of Extrasensory Perception.
  1. When he fought Tambourine for the first time, he was enraged and defeated.
  2. Tambourine is "several times" stronger than Cymbal, not Goku.
  3. Goku was only defeated by Tambourine because he was hungry and exhausted.
  4. Saiyans inherently draw power from rage, though, by the way.
Should be added, yes. In fact, Goku has a myriad of Supernatural Willpower feats throughout the original story which could be indexed across all of his keys.

I'm assuming English is not your first or primary language, though, because what Yajirobe is saying is Goku revived himself through his own life force, not by magically receiving life force from an external source. If the Viz translations were unclear, then the original Japanese dialogue should clarify things.

Also, he did not die, per say. His heart was seized via electric shock, but clinical death and death death are different.
Can be added.
He increased his stamina through training.
Should be added, yes, alongside a myriad of other feats throughout the series.
Your first link leads to the Information Analysis page again, by the way.
Uhm?
Opponents are typically knocked out for ten days because Nam dives directly into their throats at supersonic speed.
[Son Goku (DBS Anime)]
Sure.

Though, considering the God Bind/Aura Trap functions by ensnaring the opponent in one's Ki, an argument could be made that breaking free from said technique is a feat of power rather than a feat of Resistance. I'm not interested enough to make that argument, though.

As for the Healing addition, see below.
I'm writing this out of order.
[Son Goku (DBS Manga)]
  • Healing (Stamina; Was capable of granting Frieza on Namek enough ki to allow him to float)
Ehh, nah. If I perform CPR on you, I'm not restoring your oxygen, you're simply using some of my oxygen.
It should be noted that this ability should not be given to any character who has been shown capable of simply digging a hole, only those who are supernaturally adept at digging below and through the ground at high speed should be allowed this power.
Simply knowing how to drive a car or pilot a spaceship is not mastery.
He shifts his vitals by physically moving his body, including his vital points.
I don't understand how any of this is Accelerated Development. The first example, in fact, would be Adaptation.
See above.
Nowhere are Moro's illusions suggested to bypass Ki Sensing. In fact, the first example you listed includes explicit confirmation Moro can hide his Ki.
You can physically see an illusion, but if the real body is hiding its presence, you are likely to be tricked.
No.
 
[Son Goku (Dragon Ball)]
Resistance to:​
[Son Goku (DBS Anime)]
Resistance to:​
[Son Goku (DBS Manga)]
Resistance to:​
Note:
  • For the Fire Manipulation feat there is a difference in the form of Goku's energy in general with the blue flame he uses to block Jiren's attack
  • For the limited Attack Reflection, Sous Roas' energy is seen to shrink and then Goku returns it with the same size to Sous Roas
They look ok at first glance

By the way, the attack reflection link is not working
 
Limited soul Manipulation of for the soul resistance

I don't agree with this
Absolute Zero (Scaling to Vegeta; Withstood an absolute zero attack, which instantly freezes to the bone upon contact)
That's only for Vegeta
 
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The literal third line in the post reads "[removing] distractions and focusing the mind".
The fifth reads "he mastered a tranquil state of mind".
What Goku learned was how to eliminate unnecessary thoughts, which erases his Ki and enables unconscious sensing of vital information.
At best, he could receive a Limited Instinctive Action in the form of Extrasensory Perception.

  1. When he fought Tambourine for the first time, he was enraged and defeated.
  2. Tambourine is "several times" stronger than Cymbal, not Goku.
  3. Goku was only defeated by Tambourine because he was hungry and exhausted.
  4. Saiyans inherently draw power from rage, though, by the way.

Should be added, yes. In fact, Goku has a myriad of Supernatural Willpower feats throughout the original story which could be indexed across all of his keys.

I'm assuming English is not your first or primary language, though, because what Yajirobe is saying is Goku revived himself through his own life force, not by magically receiving life force from an external source. If the Viz translations were unclear, then the original Japanese dialogue should clarify things.

Also, he did not die, per say. His heart was seized via electric shock, but clinical death and death death are different.

Can be added.

He increased his stamina through training.

Should be added, yes, alongside a myriad of other feats throughout the series.
Your first link leads to the Information Analysis page again, by the way.

Uhm?

Opponents are typically knocked out for ten days because Nam dives directly into their throats at supersonic speed.

Sure.

Though, considering the God Bind/Aura Trap functions by ensnaring the opponent in one's Ki, an argument could be made that breaking free from said technique is a feat of power rather than a feat of Resistance. I'm not interested enough to make that argument, though.

As for the Healing addition, see below.
I'm writing this out of order.

Ehh, nah. If I perform CPR on you, I'm not restoring your oxygen, you're simply using some of my oxygen.



Simply knowing how to drive a car or pilot a spaceship is not mastery.

He shifts his vitals by physically moving his body, including his vital points.

I don't understand how any of this is Accelerated Development. The first example, in fact, would be Adaptation.

See above.

Nowhere are Moro's illusions suggested to bypass Ki Sensing. In fact, the first example you listed includes explicit confirmation Moro can hide his Ki.
You can physically see an illusion, but if the real body is hiding its presence, you are likely to be tricked.

No.
I'll get to the rest later, but Null's argument seems reasonable.
By the way, the attack reflection link is not working
Done.
That's only for Vegeta
Why? It doesn't affect Vegeta's physicality, the closest person to Vegeta's physicality is Goku as a Saiyan who is almost in the same state as him whether in training or whatever.
 
That's only for Vegeta
Why wouldn't Goku be able to withstand it?

They are both Saiyans They both have the same strength and capabilities in their base states

They both went through the same training with Whis

Vegeta never went through specific training to withstand freezing environments or anything like that, in fact I think it would make sense for all Saiyans who have a similar level to have this resistance to absolute zero, Broly, Gohan, etc... there is literally nothing that shows that it makes sense for only Vegeta to have this resistance 🤨
 
Limited soul Manipulation of for the soul resistance

I don't agree with this

That's only for Vegeta

it's already accepted that Goku should have the same resistance to Absolute Zero like long time ago due to Vegeta In Base form easily resisting and breaking the ice in super saiyan, will just re adding it again

I have no doubt Goku would've have resisted absolute zero the same as Vegeta.

Yeah, I agree on soul manipulation resistance, that is should be limited.
 
The literal third line in the post reads "[removing] distractions and focusing the mind".
The fifth reads "he mastered a tranquil state of mind".
What Goku learned was how to eliminate unnecessary thoughts, which erases his Ki and enables unconscious sensing of vital information.
At best, he could receive a Limited Instinctive
How about this?
  1. When he fought Tambourine for the first time, he was enraged and defeated.
  2. Tambourine is "several times" stronger than Cymbal, not Goku.
  3. Goku was only defeated by Tambourine because he was hungry and exhausted.
  4. Saiyans inherently draw power from rage, though, by the way.
Makes sense.
Should be added, yes. In fact, Goku has a myriad of Supernatural Willpower feats throughout the original story which could be indexed across all of his keys.

I'm assuming English is not your first or primary language, though, because what Yajirobe is saying is Goku revived himself through his own life force, not by magically receiving life force from an external source. If the Viz translations were unclear, then the original Japanese dialogue should clarify things.

Also, he did not die, per say. His heart was seized via electric shock, but clinical death and death death are different.
Thoughts?
Should be added, yes, alongside a myriad of other feats throughout the series.
Your first link leads to the Information Analysis page again, by the way.
Fixed.
What?
Opponents are typically knocked out for ten days because Nam dives directly into their throats at supersonic speed.
Ah I see...
Ehh, nah. If I perform CPR on you, I'm not restoring your oxygen, you're simply using some of my oxygen.
Maybe Ki Transferance qualifies for that but could Healing also qualify since it gives Frieza the power to move by giving him his energy?
He shifts his vitals by physically moving his body, including his vital points.
Maybe I missed something, where was it? Was it about Goku dodging while Granolah locked onto his vital points?
I don't understand how any of this is Accelerated Development. The first example, in fact, would be Adaptation.
Hmm... For the second example, does Goku developing his giant form not count? Or something like Awakened Power?
Nowhere are Moro's illusions suggested to bypass Ki Sensing. In fact, the first example you listed includes explicit confirmation Moro can hide his Ki.
You can physically see an illusion, but if the real body is hiding its presence, you are likely to be tricked.
My bad.
Why? Moro directly takes Goku and Vegeta's energy, it is even stated many times that something Moro absorbs or eats is a Soul.
 
I agree with everything, but I’d like to say that reading old threads is so funny lmao.

“Anyways this god that creates all life in the universe stated that this dude attacks with absolute zero, and the official website corroborates it, so it should work-“

“Nuh-uh! It doesn’t freeze his hand and cause it to shatter, meaning it can’t be Absolute Zero!”

“….yes, that’s what resisting it would do.”

“Nah, that doesn’t make sense in the real world, so it doesn’t count.”

I swear, if we had mfs arguing like this back in the day, I don’t blame the internet for having the harsh opinions it does on us.
 
I genuinely do not understand the argument for this being limited Instinctive Action. It's objectively performed without conscious thought, it fuffills one of the use cases outlined on the Instinctive Action page, it's not gated by any technique timing or limited to a specific use case. Genuinely what gives?
 
Are we sure if Moro's absorption normally kills someone instantly? Moro himself stated after their energy is drained, they'll die in a short time. They were saved because they got a little energy back thanks to a healer.

It should either be applied to everyone if that is the case, or simply not be a resistance at all in my opinion
 
Are we sure if Moro's absorption normally kills someone instantly? Moro himself stated after their energy is drained, they'll die in a short time. They were saved because they got a little energy back thanks to a healer.

It should either be applied to everyone if that is the case, or simply not be a resistance at all in my opinion
It's unconventional limited because they survived a short time with their life energy and souls absorbed long enough to be healed over three days
 
It's unconventional limited because they survived a short time with their life energy and souls absorbed long enough to be healed over three days
Every soul Moro absorbed returned to the person if irrc, did Goku and Vegeta got it back?
 
Every soul Moro absorbed returned to the person if irrc, did Goku and Vegeta got it back?
Remember it took two months of Vegeta training on yardrat to learn forced spirit fission to return all the absorbed souls

Goku and Vegeta had their energy absorbed two months before that
 
I agree with everything, but I’d like to say that reading old threads is so funny lmao.

“Anyways this god that creates all life in the universe stated that this dude attacks with absolute zero, and the official website corroborates it, so it should work-“

“Nuh-uh! It doesn’t freeze his hand and cause it to shatter, meaning it can’t be Absolute Zero!”

“….yes, that’s what resisting it would do.”

“Nah, that doesn’t make sense in the real world, so it doesn’t count.”

I swear, if we had mfs arguing like this back in the day, I don’t blame the internet for having the harsh opinions it does on us.
Yea, i remember this, lmao. Dark times
 
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