Siris using some cool sword technique isn't his skill feat here,
Literally not at all what I said. Him learning it isn't a skill feat, but an intelligence feat, how they deploy it in combat would be skill.
his feat is being able to best people who mastered a style of fighting that is so extraordinarily varied that every single form specifically depends on the number of attackers, the opponent's skill levels and how they had you surrounded with using the right form enabling the user to easily stomp their opponents before they can even react through perfectly placed strikes but using the wrong form leaving the user vulnerable which clearly didn't happen so often with the Deathless if they were so accomplished that they had to create another fighting form because the Patterns made things so easy.
This just sounds like CQC but is limited to swords with built-in weaknesses (why would you have a martial arts that if you **** up the form it leaves you vulnerable? Doesn't sound practical to me tbh).
The Deathless also ditched using high-tech suits that amplified their stats to kingdom come because the entire point of the Aegis Forms duels between Deathless is proving superiority over the other immortal dudes using your own skill because any of them can just create some ultra powerful device. Then you've got Raidriar who stands on top of the rest of them after all of them had been warring with each other for thousands of years but Siris defeats him before Ausar's instincts even start manifesting noticeably within him after training with the Aegis Forms for like a decade. Later, Raidriar thinks he can challenge the Worker and gets skill stomped so hard he compares himself to an infant in front of the Worker and accepts that Siris is the only one who stands a chance despite his god complex.
So they partake in honorable combat to prove their skill? That's cool, but how skilled are they to begin with? Like obviously being the best out of dudes out of a group of thugs, and being the best out of a group of Batman-level lads is very, very, different.
Plus the Worker is completely unable to predict Siris's actions despite completely reading Raidriar's entire character and actions like a book to the point that Raidriar thought the Worker was reading his mind when the Worker was just predicting everything about Raidriar so Analytical Prediction goes out the window.
Snake has
literally beat the shit out of someone who has analytical prediction as well as
actual precog and mind reading. And so did Raiden. Gray Fox has that stuff, and Vamp, and also SKULLS (who are like 11 skill stomps below Snake), and... As I said, nothing new.
At the series finale, Siris is able to duel the Worker on even grounds, pressing the Worker multiple times, and ends the fight by outmaneuvering the Worker, despite being held in a choke, and redirecting the Worker's final attack with the Infinity Blade into the Worker's own gut.
Yes, but Mantis exists, and so does Gray Fox, and Skulls. I ain't saying this dude ain't skilled, I'm saying this dude ain' nothing that dudes that Snake has stomped haven't dealt with.
Fairs, I just don't want Siris's own skill to be downplayed
Nobody is saying he isn't skilled dude.
The Patterns would quite literally be the CQC stand-in in this scenario within the IB verse.
The stand-in, doesn't mean it's comparable
ignoring how CQC is actually practical Snake's own CQC eclipses that of numerous others, like to the point it's not even funny, and CQC is also designed to disarm foes, given Snake's LS, well...
Kars and ACDC were empowered by the Stone Mask and gained new abilities from using it before they massacred their race which misses my point and I thought the Pillar Men trio encountered just that one Hamon tribe before hibernating in Rome?
Yeah they had powers, yet natural Pillar Men were still superhuman as ****, all geniuses and it was 2 Vs. The whole species minus two children. Which kinda furthers my points either way, who cares if they have experience? What matters is what that experience entails.
And no? You make it sound like it was just a small group. They systematically wiped out the Hamon clan, even killing children, they were shocked that there was even survivors of their genocide when they learned Hamon survived into the "modern" age. What we see in Part 1 & 2 is merely the remnants (Which in and of itself includes a fuckton of, just look at Petty's group). You could probably inquire with 6251 for more information.
And your point, at the time, was "thousands of years of experience", and I said that means nothing on is own. Your point was poorly constructed and elaborated upon, that ain't my fault.
Regardless skill doesn't even matter here, stealth is a thing, Snake's wincons involve emotive or sleep stuff, and LS is ludicrous.
