Solid Snake vs Siris (4-0-0)

[SunDaGamer]

The Cloned Image vs The Reborn Mind

• Both have prior knowledge of each other's abilities
• Infinity Bandana is restricted but other than that, standard equipment is used
• Location: Outer Heaven
• Starting distance: 8 meters
• Speed is equalized
• SBA otherwise

Siris scales above 84.8 Tons, Snake scales to 23.6 Tons physically and 156.8 Tons with his weapons

Snake: 4 (AThe1412, AnAverageUsername, Stillwinston, Chariot190)
Siris: 0
Inconclusive: 0

 

[SheevShezarrine]

What can Snake do that could keep Siris down?

 

[Newendigo]

Idk man, don't you think this Siris lad is a bit overkill for Snake?

Unless that infinity blade is barely used by him in combat, Snake ain't gonna have a good time with a swinging quantum-soul ******.

Also

4x times stronger.

Mid regeneration

And resurrection

lol

Nah fam Snake is cooked.

 

[AThe1412]

Idk man, don't you think this Siris lad is a bit overkill for Snake?

Unless that infinity blade is barely used by him in combat, Snake ain't gonna have a good time with a swinging quantum-soul ******.

Also







lol

Nah fam Snake is cooked.

Sleep Inducement which Siris does not resist? Invisibility which he has no way to see through? Snake's Multi-City Block weapons? Snake's Acrobatics and Instinctive Reaction that allows him to avoid Siris's attacks? Siris's resurrection takes weeks to restore his entire body from say a finger if he doesn't have spare bodies prepared beforehand. Also, he would have to get close to use his quantum-soul fuckery at which point Snake automatically disarms and stomps him in H2H with CQC and much higher LS. Oh, and Snake has infinite ammo too.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Unless that infinity blade is barely used by him in combat, Snake ain't gonna have a good time with a swinging quantum-soul ******.

The Infinity Blade isn't a one-shot, you have to nail a target in like this and the Quantum/Soul manip of the blade doesn't mean much for Snake since he's not immortal because a lethal blow from any weapon would kill him whether his soul was affected or not.

What can Snake do that could keep Siris down?

He can try incapacitating him using stun grenades, emotive ammo, sneaking up on him with stealth camoflogue or using sleeping gas although some of those options might not be enough for the one hour knockout/day of incapacitation and Siris has full knowledge of Snake's entire arsenal too

 

[Chariot190]

Tbf, Snake's tranqs and sleep gas do last for like days.
also he has MGS4 stuff? Snake might just passively win via fear manip then

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Tbf, Snake's tranqs and sleep gas do last for like days.

Would have been helpful in game when trying for a non-lethal run!

 

[Chariot190]

MGS4 Big Boss Ranking is ******* bullshit let's be real, that shit ain't fair.

 

[SunDaGamer]

also he has MGS4 stuff? Snake might just passively win via fear manip then

Old man Snake might not handle a life steal spell too well

 

[AnAverageUsername]

MGS4 Big Boss Ranking is ******* bullshit let's be real, that shit ain't fair.

I'd say MGS1 is also brutal but at least you can run past Invisible with Otacon's post game prize

 

[Chariot190]

Old man Snake might not handle a life steal spell too well

No, but have fun finding him to hit to begin with.
Snake might **** with that anyway assuming he has the BB res' built-in.

And one emotive grenade would leave his foe incapable of fighting, he doesn't even need to be close to use it too, they have some AOE.
also as said, Snake has some camo's with passive effects that lad doesn't resist.

 

[SunDaGamer]

I'll give Siris access to some of his optional equipment if this is too one-sided in Snake's favour

 

[AThe1412]

I'll give Siris access to some of his optional equipment if this is too one-sided in Snake's favour

Even if you gave him his optional equipment, he can canonically only equip one ring which means he'll have to sacrifice his ability to spawn black holes for something else instead, something which Snake still has knowledge about and can figure out ways to counter.

 

[Unknownnah]

Ngl, with prior knowledge Snake lowkey could just sneak on Siris, snatch the cleaver with his massive LS advantage, and kill him right there and then.

 

[AThe1412]

Ngl, with prior knowledge Snake lowkey could just sneak on Siris, snatch the cleaver with his massive LS advantage, and kill him right there and then.

Bro, that's actually valid. That's like someone beating Sekiro by taking the Mortal Blade away from him and stabbing him with it (It's actually easier because Snake doesn't need to have Resistance to Death Manipulation in order to pick up Siris' weapon, unlike Sekiro's case)

 

[SunDaGamer]

Snake automatically disarms and stomps him in H2H with CQC

Snake has the LS advantage but in terms of Siris' experience in dealing with H2H opponents, he's fought and killed Lelindre who incorporates acrobatics and martial arts into her fighting style and has thousands of years of experience. In terms of actual unarmed close-quarters combat, Siris' best feats with that are when he was stuck with Raidriar in the Vault of Tears.
The more I look back on some of Siris's skill feats the more I realise he should really have Accelerated Development, Enhanced Senses and Instinctive Action...

 

[AThe1412]

Snake has the LS advantage but in terms of Siris' experience in dealing with H2H opponents, he's fought and killed Lelindre who incorporates acrobatics and martial arts into her fighting style and has thousands of years of experience. In terms of actual unarmed close-quarters combat, Siris' best feats with that are when he was stuck with Raidriar in the Vault of Tears.

Fair enough. Still, with what everyone has said, I'm voting Snake.

 

[Chariot190]

Snake has the LS advantage but in terms of Siris' experience in dealing with H2H opponents, he's fought and killed Lelindre who incorporates acrobatics and martial arts into her fighting style and has thousands of years of experience. In terms of actual unarmed close-quarters combat, Siris' best feats with that are when he was stuck with Raidriar in the Vault of Tears.

Eh, "experience" doesn't mean anything, what matters is what that experience constitutes, like I wouldn't say ACDC from JoJo is a giga hyper skill god despite having like 100,000 years of experience.
And besides, none of that is anything that dudes Snake is 10 skill ***** above haven't dealt with before.

Reminder Snake is unironically like 10 skill ***** above Venom Snake.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Eh, "experience" doesn't mean anything, what matters is what that experience constitutes, like I wouldn't say ACDC from JoJo is a giga hyper skill god despite having like 100,000 years of experience.

The only thing that can be used to measure the experience scope in Infinity Blade is based off of what we're told about the Patterns of True Swordsmanship which took some Deathless centuries to master (which doesn't mean much in the scope of their lives), the Aegis Forms are the fighting style used for one-on-one fights seen in the games which were said to be have become more prevalent because so many Deathless could skill stomp multiple opponents surrounding them after mastering the Patterns. Plus ACDC didn't exactly spent his life honing his skills by fighting other Pillar Men who were equal to him physically with the same powers and abilities.

 

[Chariot190]

None of that means anything, it just means they have superhuman skill? Except not really, like Goku for example, he learned the kamehameha at a glance, yet it took Roshi 50 years to learn.
Learning some cool martial arts that takes ten fucktillon years to learn is more an intelligence feat than a combat skill feat imo, what would be skill is how it's deployed.

Snake skill ***** dudes who skill ***** dudes who skill ***** dudes who skill ***** dudes who can fight a bunch of superhumanly enhanced bio-engineered superbeings who flat-out outstats him, who in turns is layers of skill ***** above dudes who can copy moves at a glance mid-combat, have analytical prediction and so on. Not withstanding everyone ever in MGS has analytical stuff and Aceldev for skill.

If it's a matter of Martial Arts, Naked Snake and The Boss invented a whole martial arts that is designed to dismantle all other martial arts and be used with weapons, for fun basically. And even half a century later when it was revealed o the public, it was deemed so far beyond any fighting form that basically every soldier, military, and fighter in the world stared using it, only for it to be revealed what they were doing was a dogshit imitation so bad that it caused Snake to break his oath and subconsciously start using actual CQC out of spite.

Plus ACDC didn't exactly spent his life honing his skills by fighting other Pillar Men who were equal to him physically with the same powers and abilities.

Ignoring the fact he literally killed his whole race alongside Kars, spent centuries fighting people who wanted him dead, including whole sects of superhuman martial artists designed around killing him and Kars in particular.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Yeah, going with SNAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!!!!

 

[Baken384]

Snake skill ***** dudes who skill ***** dudes who skill ***** dudes who skill ***** dudes who can fight a bunch of superhumanly enhanced bio-engineered superbeings who flat-out outstats him, who in turns is layers of skill ***** above dudes who can copy moves at a glance mid-combat, have analytical prediction and so on. Not withstanding everyone ever in MGS has analytical stuff and Aceldev for skill.

english pls

 

[Chariot190]

Snake has big boy scaling chain.

 

[SunDaGamer]

None of that means anything, it just means they have superhuman skill? Except not really, like Goku for example, he learned the kamehameha at a glance, yet it took Roshi 50 years to learn.
Learning some cool martial arts that takes ten fucktillon years to learn is more an intelligence feat than a combat skill feat imo, what would be skill is how it's deployed.

Siris using some cool sword technique isn't his skill feat here, his feat is being able to best people who mastered a style of fighting that is so extraordinarily varied that every single form specifically depends on the number of attackers, your opponent's skill levels and how they had you surrounded with using the right form enabling the user to easily stomp their opponents before they can even react through perfectly placed strikes but using the wrong form leaving the user vulnerable which clearly didn't happen so often with the Deathless if they were so accomplished that they had to create another fighting form because the Patterns made things so easy. (Assuming 7 enemies as a lowball, 5 skill levels and 10 different formations they can attack you in, that would be 25200 different forms. No wonder they take centuries to master)

The Deathless also ditched using high-tech suits that amplified their stats to kingdom come because the entire point of the Aegis Forms duels between Deathless is proving superiority over the other immortal dudes using your own skill because any of them can just create some ultra powerful device. Then you've got Raidriar who stands on top of the rest of them (after all of them had been warring with each other for thousands of years) but Siris defeats him before Ausar's instincts even start manifesting noticeably within him after training with the Aegis Forms for like a decade. Later, Raidriar thinks he can challenge the Worker and gets skill stomped so hard he compares himself to an infant in front of the Worker and accepts that Siris is the only one who stands a chance despite his god complex. Plus the Worker is completely unable to predict Siris's actions despite completely reading Raidriar's entire character and actions like a book to the point that Raidriar thought the Worker was reading his mind when the Worker was just predicting everything about Raidriar so Analytical Prediction goes out the window. At the series finale, Siris is able to duel the Worker on even grounds, pressing the Worker multiple times, and ends the fight by outmaneuvering the Worker, despite being held in a choke, and redirecting the Worker's final attack with the Infinity Blade into the Worker's own gut.

Snake skill ***** dudes who skill ***** dudes who skill ***** dudes who skill ***** dudes who can fight a bunch of superhumanly enhanced bio-engineered superbeings who flat-out outstats him, who in turns is layers of skill ***** above dudes who can copy moves at a glance mid-combat, have analytical prediction and so on. Not withstanding everyone ever in MGS has analytical stuff and Aceldev for skill.

Fairs, I just don't want Siris's own skill to be downplayed

If it's a matter of Martial Arts, Naked Snake and The Boss invented a whole martial arts that is designed to dismantle all other martial arts and be used with weapons, for fun basically. And even half a century later when it was revealed o the public, it was deemed so far beyond any fighting form that basically every soldier, military, and fighter in the world stared using it, only for it to be revealed what they were doing was a dogshit imitation so bad that it caused Snake to break his oath and subconsciously start using actual CQC out of spite.

The Patterns would quite literally be the CQC stand-in in this scenario within the IB verse.

Ignoring the fact he literally killed his whole race alongside Kars, spent centuries fighting people who wanted him dead, including whole sects of superhuman martial artists designed around killing him and Kars in particular.

Kars and ACDC were empowered by the Stone Mask and gained new abilities from using it before they massacred their race which misses my point and I thought the Pillar Men trio encountered just that one Hamon tribe before hibernating in Rome?

 

[SunDaGamer]

No, but have fun finding him to hit to begin with.

Rings are activated with a hand gesture and the Holy spell seems the affect any target in front of it, if Siris knew everything about Snake's abilities then he wouldn't wait for Snake to accept a formal duel invitation and just immediately activate his ring at the start of the fight

 

[Chariot190]

Siris using some cool sword technique isn't his skill feat here,

Literally not at all what I said. Him learning it isn't a skill feat, but an intelligence feat, how they deploy it in combat would be skill.

his feat is being able to best people who mastered a style of fighting that is so extraordinarily varied that every single form specifically depends on the number of attackers, the opponent's skill levels and how they had you surrounded with using the right form enabling the user to easily stomp their opponents before they can even react through perfectly placed strikes but using the wrong form leaving the user vulnerable which clearly didn't happen so often with the Deathless if they were so accomplished that they had to create another fighting form because the Patterns made things so easy.

This just sounds like CQC but is limited to swords with built-in weaknesses (why would you have a martial arts that if you **** up the form it leaves you vulnerable? Doesn't sound practical to me tbh).

The Deathless also ditched using high-tech suits that amplified their stats to kingdom come because the entire point of the Aegis Forms duels between Deathless is proving superiority over the other immortal dudes using your own skill because any of them can just create some ultra powerful device. Then you've got Raidriar who stands on top of the rest of them after all of them had been warring with each other for thousands of years but Siris defeats him before Ausar's instincts even start manifesting noticeably within him after training with the Aegis Forms for like a decade. Later, Raidriar thinks he can challenge the Worker and gets skill stomped so hard he compares himself to an infant in front of the Worker and accepts that Siris is the only one who stands a chance despite his god complex.

So they partake in honorable combat to prove their skill? That's cool, but how skilled are they to begin with? Like obviously being the best out of dudes out of a group of thugs, and being the best out of a group of Batman-level lads is very, very, different.

Plus the Worker is completely unable to predict Siris's actions despite completely reading Raidriar's entire character and actions like a book to the point that Raidriar thought the Worker was reading his mind when the Worker was just predicting everything about Raidriar so Analytical Prediction goes out the window.

Snake has literally beat the shit out of someone who has analytical prediction as well as actual precog and mind reading. And so did Raiden. Gray Fox has that stuff, and Vamp, and also SKULLS (who are like 11 skill stomps below Snake), and... As I said, nothing new.

At the series finale, Siris is able to duel the Worker on even grounds, pressing the Worker multiple times, and ends the fight by outmaneuvering the Worker, despite being held in a choke, and redirecting the Worker's final attack with the Infinity Blade into the Worker's own gut.

Yes, but Mantis exists, and so does Gray Fox, and Skulls. I ain't saying this dude ain't skilled, I'm saying this dude ain' nothing that dudes that Snake has stomped haven't dealt with.

Fairs, I just don't want Siris's own skill to be downplayed

Nobody is saying he isn't skilled dude.

The Patterns would quite literally be the CQC stand-in in this scenario within the IB verse.

The stand-in, doesn't mean it's comparable ignoring how CQC is actually practical Snake's own CQC eclipses that of numerous others, like to the point it's not even funny, and CQC is also designed to disarm foes, given Snake's LS, well...

Kars and ACDC were empowered by the Stone Mask and gained new abilities from using it before they massacred their race which misses my point and I thought the Pillar Men trio encountered just that one Hamon tribe before hibernating in Rome?

Yeah they had powers, yet natural Pillar Men were still superhuman as ****, all geniuses and it was 2 Vs. The whole species minus two children. Which kinda furthers my points either way, who cares if they have experience? What matters is what that experience entails.
And no? You make it sound like it was just a small group. They systematically wiped out the Hamon clan, even killing children, they were shocked that there was even survivors of their genocide when they learned Hamon survived into the "modern" age. What we see in Part 1 & 2 is merely the remnants (Which in and of itself includes a fuckton of, just look at Petty's group). You could probably inquire with 6251 for more information.

And your point, at the time, was "thousands of years of experience", and I said that means nothing on is own. Your point was poorly constructed and elaborated upon, that ain't my fault.

Regardless skill doesn't even matter here, stealth is a thing, Snake's wincons involve emotive or sleep stuff, and LS is ludicrous.

 

[Chariot190]

Rings are activated with a hand gesture and the Holy spell seems the affect any target in front of it, if Siris knew everything about Snake's abilities then he wouldn't wait for Snake to accept a formal duel invitation and just immediately activate his ring at the start of the fight

Why would Snake accept it to begin with? Why wouldn't Snake immediately disengage given he knows how dangerous what his foe is packing is or whip out passive camos?

 

[SunDaGamer]

This just sounds like CQC but is limited to swords with built-in weaknesses (why would you have a martial arts that if you **** up the form it leaves you vulnerable? Doesn't sound practical to me tbh).

Because every form is suited for every specific situation, if you mess up and use the wrong form in the heat of a fight then a flawless victory is no longer guaranteed.

but how skilled are they to begin with?

skilled enough to have completely mastered the Patterns and I've already estabilished how its the CQC equivalent in the verse (and I don't mean in terms of martial art necessarily, I mean that it's the overpowered technique in the verse that takes a ridiculous level of skill to perfect) but with a guaranteed victory outcome for a myriad of possibilities if done correctly (which they were doing)

Why would Snake accept it to begin with? Why wouldn't Snake immediately disengage given he knows how dangerous what his foe is packing

Due to SBA:

State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other.

 

[Chariot190]

Because every form is suited for every specific situation, if you mess up and use the wrong form in the heat of a fight then a flawless victory is no longer guaranteed.

That sounds more like a flaw in the martial arts ngl, or at least not very practical.

skilled enough to have completely mastered the Patterns and I've already estabilished how its the CQC equivalent but with a guaranteed victory outcome for a myriad of possibilities if done correctly (which they were doing)

No you didn't, you said it was the equivalent, but that doesn't at all mean it's comparable, just that it's the stand-in "cool fighting style" of the verse. And fyi, as mentioned but Snake eclipses dudes who can master fighting styles or learn moves at a glance or within a few minutes. It being hard to learn isn't justification for its practicality, as said even the best militia on earth were using an actual insultingly bad imitation of CQC, CQC ain't exactly easy to learn let alone master too.

Due to SBA:

Ok? What part of that has anything to do with what I said? Snake isn't forced to accept, and Snake can still disengage. I never said he would retreat and leave the match completely if that's what you mean, just that he can disengage and attack from afar via things like his snipers, or sneak up at a later point to disarm or whatever. Something that's well within his character to do.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Ok? What part of that has anything to do with what I said? Snake isn't forced to accept, and Snake can still disengage. I never said he would retreat and leave the match completely if that's what you mean, just that he can disengage and attack from afar via things like his snipers, or sneak up at a later point to disarm or whatever. Something that's well within his character to do.

Mb, either way speed is equal so idk if Snake could get out of there before Siris activates the holy spell since the time between its activation and effect is instant.

If Siris were to have Optional Equipment like a Ring of Transportation then disarming Siris would be an issue since he could just teleport his weapons back into his hands and attempt to have it teleported in a position to impale or cut Snake before he finishes executing a grapple plus healing spells age the user's body by at least half a year so Siris could use that to his advantage if he were to be hit by a status effect inducer that had a limited duration although it'd only be useful once and Snake would definitely plan around it. A freeze spell would also disrupt Snake's Stealth Camo. If Siris had a Ring of Incarnate Dark, Snake would never engage physically since Siris needs to be close to contact with a target to properly release it safely so Siris can't activate it while Snake is at his starting position like he could with the Holy Band.

That sounds more like a flaw in the martial arts ngl, or at least not very practical.

I'd assume the idea during its conception was that an immortal being has so much time on their hands that they can simply learn a perfect path to win every scenario and ingrain it into their muscle memory over a period of time that would be impossible for the capcity of regular people, hence why they took centuries to learn for some and why Siris could use it instinctively due to Ausar's QIP holding the information.

that doesn't at all mean it's comparable, just that it's the stand-in "cool fighting style" of the verse

Yeah, I clarified that that's what I meant (an overpowered fighting style that regular people can't imitate properly)

 

[Chariot190]

Mb, either way speed is equal so idk if Snake could get out of there before Siris activates the holy spell since the time between its activation and effect is instant.

Snake has ****** off like Batman before, speed equal or not, it won't help unless they're literally within arm's reach. Especially if Snake drops a flashbang or something. Or even worse, just says **** it and instant goes into the fear manip or emotive camo.

If Siris were to have Optional Equipment like a Ring of Transportation then disarming Siris would be an issue since he could just teleport his weapons back into his hands

My dude, if he were to be disarmed, he'd have the weapon shoved through his head, Snake wouldn't just grab it and keep it.
Look up Venom Snake disarming the skulls, he disarms them and in the same motion bisects them or impales them with their own weapon.

and attempt to have it teleported in a position to impale or cut Snake before he finishes executing a grapple

See above, not withstanding, didn't you say they're gesture based? How can he do a gesture when he's in a lock, especially when Snake knows that's how they're done? He'd obviously grapple in a way that limits hand movements.

plus healing spells age the user's body by at least half a year so Siris could use that to his advantage if he were to be hit by a status effect inducer that had a limited duration

The only status effect Snake has is sleep, which would make actually doing that impossible given he wouldn't be awake to use said spell.
The other statuses induce insanity, uncontrollable sadness, extreme fear, into a comatose-like state, etc, he wouldn't be able to think properly to negate them.

although it'd only be useful once and Snake would definitely plan around it. A freeze spell would also disrupt Snake's Stealth Camo. If Siris had a Ring of Incarnate Dark, Snake would never engage physically since Siris needs to be close to contact with a target to properly release it safely so Siris can't activate it while Snake is at his starting position like he could with the Holy Band.

Snake doesn't need his camo to stealth him, at all, the majority of Metal Gear as a whole he lacks it.
The rest don't effect Snake's win conditions.

I'd assume the idea during its conception was that an immortal being has so much time on their hands that they can simply learn a perfect path to win every scenario and ingrain it into their muscle memory over a period of time that would be impossible for the capcity of regular people, hence why they took centuries to learn for some and why Siris could use it instinctively due to Ausar's QIP holding the information.

Well yeah but that's normal people, but how much is to unrealistic? Like even irl even just mastering one martial arts can take someone most of their life. All this tells us is that that fighting style is extremely vast, which fair, but CQC itself is bordering on a composite martial arts.

I care less about how long it takes to learn, and more what they can do with it.

Yeah, I clarified that that's what I meant (an overpowered fighting style that regular people can't imitate properly)

Fair.

 

[Stillwinston]

Kept you waiting FRA, ngl I'm convinced for Snake there

 

[SunDaGamer]

How can he do a gesture when he's in a lock, especially when Snake knows that's how they're done? He'd obviously grapple in a way that limits hand movements.

If they have equal combat speed, Siris isn't going to be as still as a statue while Snake executes a grapple especially when the default gesture on that ring is just snapping together his 3 middle fingers (which can be done by closing his fist) unless Snake sneaks up on him and does what Siris did to the Worker, ending him with a single maneuver, it's also easier for Snake to just keep his distance and take him out with fear/madness/sleep inducement.

My dude, if he were to be disarmed, he'd have the weapon shoved through his head, Snake wouldn't just grab it and keep it.
Look up Venom Snake disarming the skulls, he disarms them and in the same motion bisects them or impales them with their own weapon.

Yeah, I see what you mean, my mind just defaulted to Snake tossing the weapon aside and knocking Siris out

Snake doesn't need his camo to stealth him, at all, the majority of Metal Gear as a whole he lacks it.
The rest don't effect Snake's win conditions.

If Siris immediately activates a freeze spell and it landed at the start of the match then the slow down effect and being covered in ice would impede Snake's stealth

Snake has ****** off like Batman before, speed equal or not, it won't help unless they're literally within arm's reach

That distance doesn't make a difference since the effect will work as long as you're caught in front of Siris wihin range when its activated

Especially if Snake drops a flashbang or something. Or even worse, just says **** it and instant goes into the fear manip or emotive camo.

Wouldn't the flashbang take longer than a hand gesture? None of the Emotive stuff is in Snake's standard equipment (apart from maybe whatever falls under grenades)

 

[Chariot190]

If they have equal combat speed, Siris isn't going to be as still as a statue

I don't think you understand, the grapples come after Snake ***** off. Stealth.

while Snake executes a grapple especially when the default gesture on that ring is just snapping together his 3 middle fingers (which can be done by closing his fist) unless Snake sneaks up on him and does what Siris did to the Worker, ending him with a single maneuver,

That was the argument yes.

it's also easier for Snake to just keep his distance and take him out with fear/madness/sleep inducement.

That's true, I'm just giving you multiple ways Snake can net a win, stealth into CQC is one of them.

Yeah, I see what you mean, my mind just defaulted to Snake tossing the weapon aside and knocking Siris out

For anyone wondering, someone far below Snake ******* up dudes with their own weapns.

If Siris immediately activates a freeze spell and it landed at the start of the match then the slow down effect and being covered in ice would impede Snake's stealth

Define "land", is it a projectile? If it is, Snake's layers of Instinctive Action, Analytical prediction, prior info and so on would help with that.
Also how much ice? Sneaking suits even as far back as the 70s could tank liquid nitrogen point-blank and freeze attacks from Python. Snake's is infinitely more advanced.
The slow down might be an issue.

That distance doesn't make a difference since the effect will work as long as you're caught in front of Siris wihin range when its activated

It kinda does given Snake can like, get the **** outa dodge. Invisibility also makes it difficult for his foe to know where exactly he went too, and given Snake's analytical stuff, he'd easily be able to compensate and go the opposite direction from where he's aiming.

Wouldn't the flashbang take longer than a hand gesture? None of the Emotive stuff is in Snake's standard equipment (apart from maybe whatever falls under grenades)

Depends on where his arm is at the start of the match, it isn't like he has to throw it, just press the detonator.
The emotive and fear stuff is part of his octocamo, excluding the emotive rounds and grenades.

 

[Newendigo]

Sleep Inducement which Siris does not resist? Invisibility which he has no way to see through? Snake's Multi-City Block weapons? Snake's Acrobatics and Instinctive Reaction that allows him to avoid Siris's attacks? Siris's resurrection takes weeks to restore his entire body from say a finger if he doesn't have spare bodies prepared beforehand. Also, he would have to get close to use his quantum-soul fuckery at which point Snake automatically disarms and stomps him in H2H with CQC and much higher LS. Oh, and Snake has infinite ammo too.

I was under the impression that this guy was not human and that such sleep inducement wouldn't work on him. And the H2H is the debatable because Siris has a 4x times AP advantage.

The rest is fair, I guess.

 

[Chariot190]

And the H2H is the debatable because Siris has a 4x times AP advantage.

Yeah but Snake has a 300,000x LS advantage. And Snake likes to grapple, a lot, including those that outstat him.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Define "land", is it a projectile? If it is, Snake's layers of Instinctive Action, Analytical prediction, prior info and so on would help with that.
Also how much ice? Sneaking suits even as far back as the 70s could tank liquid nitrogen point-blank and freeze attacks from Python. Snake's is infinitely more advanced.
The slow down might be an issue.

It straight up summons ice on the opponent, ice crystals cover most of their body and it goes through resistance

It kinda does given Snake can like, get the **** outa dodge. Invisibility also makes it difficult for his foe to know where exactly he went too, and given Snake's analytical stuff, he'd easily be able to compensate and go the opposite direction from where he's aiming.

Depends on where his arm is at the start of the match, it isn't like he has to throw it, just press the detonator.
The emotive and fear stuff is part of his octocamo, excluding the emotive rounds and grenades.

If Snake grabs a flashbang an detonates it while Siris casts holy then even if both land successfully Siris would probably be affected worse unless stealing old Snake's life enough to put him down (this is Siris's only wincon). Snake with Instictive Reaction + Prior knowledge is basically untouchable, if Siris's hand gesture lags behind Snake's reflexes then Snake's stealth is not something he's gonna breaking through, although the attack speed of his bullets would be too slow so Snake would probably use the grenades with a larger AoE thrown directly at Siris or stealth kill him which are the 2 wincons I see. He also has more if you count non-lethal options.

 

[Chariot190]

It straight up summons ice on the opponent, ice crystals cover most of their body

And Snake can't break out because why?

and it goes through resistance

No it doesnt, he needs to cast the negate spell first according to his optional equipment tab.

If Snake grabs a flashbang an detonates it while Siris casts holy then even if both land successfully Siris would probably be affected worse unless stealing old Snake's life enough to put him down (this is Siris's only wincon).

Tbf, Big Boss has dealt with some fucky life bullshit before, though that's not at all on any profile so shrug. Depends how badly and quickly it drains, Snake has ludicrous supernatural will.

Snake with Instictive Reaction + Prior knowledge is basically untouchable, if Siris's hand gesture lags behind Snake's reflexes then Snake's stealth is not something he's gonna breaking through, although the attack speed of his bullets would be too slow so Snake would probably use the grenades with a larger AoE thrown directly at Siris or stealth kill him which are the 2 wincons I see. He also has more if you count non-lethal options.

Given you gave Snake all his weaponry, a sniper round to the head from a km away or wherever Snake slips away from is a win condition, and so is his 8-A heat-seeking missiles.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Tbf, Big Boss has dealt with some fucky life bullshit before, though that's not at all on any profile so shrug. Depends how badly and quickly it drains, Snake has ludicrous supernatural will.

Shout out to the microwave hall

 

[Chariot190]

The whole of MGS4 is a will feat, it was said he shouldn't even be able to move, the fact bro is being a super soldier while he should be crippled is one thing, slap the fact he did the microwave hall, or all the other shit on top of that. Bro kinda built diff.