Sofia & Hercules ...

[Darkmon_cns]

Oh I also forgot the fairies from Sleeping Beauty are in the show.

Just because these characters are in the show does not mean that characters in the Show scale to a feat that has no prof it happened in the show's continuity.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Matt
OUAT isn't owned by Disney, actually, it's just distributed by them.

Not directly, but it is an ABC production, and ABC is owned by Disney.

 

[OishiLover75]

Just because these characters are in the show does not mean that characters in the Show scale to a feat that has no prof it happened in the show's continuity.

Again, it's hard to prove. Craig Gerber mainly uses Disney tropes for his work and it's specifically owned by Disney. Also, there was advertising that Elena was the first Hispanic Disney Princess, and Elena is part of the same world as Sofia. I'm sure there are other Hispanic princesses in fiction. I don't know how much more I should prove.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Pretty much what Ever said about OUAT... Plus the point is moot anyways about it. Ariel and the other disney princesses were never shown to have any feats that contradict their previous powers in their own worlds. So, that point to me is moot. If theys how feats to disqualify what i say, by all means, prove it to me.

Matthew... These are very clearly their disney counterparts, unless pointed out otherwise in the StF timeline. The fact that they only ever referenced "Animated" Disney characters within their own show (I.E: Jasmine, other "Animated" Disney Princesses, The Trident , The three fairies , and possibly far more examples ) make sure they only referenced these verses within their storyline, hints they are connected. I will say that as a very knowledgable StF fan , i have no idea how they are connected. Since Sofia knew about some of these princesses (I.E: The very first movie ) , i can asume it is like a future timeline of sorts. But, we are never really given a full asnwer on this .

I agree with Azzy ONLY on the condition it was never "clearly" referenced the Disney Hercules , and i also agree he has never exactly been shown in the series, or shown to have that feat . However, i will also say that the Disney Hercules would be the only version they could refer to that didn't [blank] up everything. Hercules would never be able to enter the show, as they and other disney versions have long since past, due to the implications of StF's timeline being a future timeline for former DIsney verses. And as such, this would be the only way to infer Hercules in the show without contradicting everything simultaneously. Darkmon, if there were implications of another version of these disney characters in StF , then we would have room to debate your point. However, there isn't any other version but DIsney's animated version, and as such it is the only one we can use. And assuming it is a future timeline ( which is heavily implied ) , Hercules wouldn't be able to directly appear in the series anyways [ Due to him supposedly being with Zeus after his mortal life is over , and not being allowed to interfere with mortals ] .

Assuming they only ever reference " Disney animated " princess (ish ) verses, it would only make the most logical sense that it is "Disney Animated Hercules " as the example Cedric was referring to . The other princess verses are treated as things that have been once was, as opposed to never referenced at all.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Bump.

 

[OishiLover75]

Why are you saying Bump? This isn't a vs thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Pretty sure we don't scale things like this.

It's the same reason everyone in Kingdom Hearts worth their salt isn't automatically 3-A because Genie and Jafar exist and can be scaled to them.

Azathoth is correct. We do not scale between different franchises, even if they are owned by the same company.

 

[OishiLover75]

I'm wondering if it's even a different franchise. I'm confused.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

They are literally in the same verse , in the form of an crossover . It isn't like KH , which is non-canon even to those variations of the characters . These versions of these characters are canon to this storyline, as i have clearly made reference to.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it depends on what the rest of the staff thinks.

 

[OishiLover75]

Should I make a thread about this? What if we mentioned it could be a hyperbole.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Should I make a thread about this? What if we mentioned it could be a hyperbole.

that's the kind of thing that makes it hard to tell

 

[Antvasima]

However, if Sofia, and her verse, has never remotely displayed anything approaching this scale, I find it unlikely that we should take such statements literally. Alternately the writers probably did not intend this version of Hercules to be nearly as powerful as in the animated movie and tv series.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Considering Cedric is one of the most knowledgable concerning the Amulet's potential ( He's been researching it's power for seemingly years ) ... I doubt it's a hyperbole. He also said the Amulet is the most powerful artifact he has ever encountered . Don't know where that would place here, but it's wirth noting . If you want to however, so be it.

 

[OishiLover75]

Should I remake the Amulet of Avalor page. Why was it taken down to begin with? I remembered this page begin in the wiki because I made it.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it still seems speculative, if we do not have any examples of its power, or of other entities with a similar scake.

 

[OishiLover75]

Somehow to me I feel the amulet is like a Saiyan, their ultimate power can be limitless, but they have to be overcome. Awkward comparison probably.

 

[OishiLover75]

Well, it still seems speculative, if we do not have any examples of its power, or of other entities with a similar scake.

I did give examples. Should I just say it varies between users because the powers are different depending on different events. How would I word that.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Here is the problem: Every artifact shown in the series [so far] & items connected to the verse via it being a future timeline is canonically weaker than the Amulet. The following items : The Comb that can control all of the oceans [Seemingly High 6-A] , Triton's Trident ( which is far superior to the Comb ) , Merlin's Wand , abd a few others are weaker than it. Sofia has yet to unlock the Amulet's full piwers, so we will never know for complete certain it's upper limit. The only thing we can know for sure is that essentially due to the Amulet's very nature, it is hard to even set an upper limit. Which is why i am scaling it to items within the series it has shown superiority to.

 

[OishiLover75]

Here is the problem: Every artifact shown in the series [so far] & items connected to the verse via it being a future timeline is canonically weaker than the Amulet. The following items : The Comb that can control all of the oceans [Seemingly High 6-A] , Triton's Trident ( which is far superior to the Comb ) , Merlin's Wand , abd a few others are weaker than it. Sofia has yet to unlock the Amulet's full piwers, so we will never know for complete certain it's upper limit. The only thing we can know for sure is that essentially due to the Amulet's very nature, it is hard to even set an upper limit. Which is why i am scaling it to items within the series it has shown superiority to.

I think Antvasima is suggesting to show the strongest feat and then add "likely higher". I'm imagining it like Saitama's page.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I have no problem with that if that is expicitly what he wants.

 

[Antvasima]

I do not have a set view about this actually. I am not informed enough about the issue, so I would prefer more staff input.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I see. Thanks anyways, Ant.

 

[OishiLover75]

Since you may be more knowledgeable of this than I am, I think it is best that you, Seed, should create the page.

Use this link to help

 

[OishiLover75]

I do not have a set view about this actually. I am not informed enough about the issue, so I would prefer more staff input.

The only problem is that the staff could only do so much. If I was a staff, I would want to discuss it in staff discussion, but I'm not. I'm sure most, if not, none of the staff watch Sofia the First, so it may be unfair for people putting it Sofia the First pages.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

The only problem with the staff if they decided to discuss it is they , like Oishi said , have little to no knowledge of it's lore. It is a bit more complex and requires a lot of dissecting to get it.

I will create it in time. After this season is over, where i will have a plethora of feats. Before doing as such, I may even make a blog discussing feats and whatnot.

 

[OishiLover75]

The only problem with the staff if they decided to discuss it is they , like Oishi said , have little to no knowledge of it's lore. It is a bit more complex and requires a lot of dissecting to get it.

I will create it in time. After this season is over, where i will have a plethora of feats. Before doing as such, I may even make a blog discussing feats and whatnot.

Go ahead, make a blog. I encourage it.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I'll do it maybe a couple of hours or so. I'll timestop important quotes, maye use WoG for a few things , etc.

 

[OishiLover75]

You actually want to wait a whole year? Just hope you don't have them urge to stop watching the show.

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Perhaps the idea of 4-B Sofia should be scratched for the moment and we should focus on actual feats in the series.

 

[OishiLover75]

I made a Princess Lani and Charoca page. That's the best I could think for fighting. I think I should make Princess Elena.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Maybe. But my original point that it takes place in either a future timeline, or Cinderella's statement " The Amulet can call upon all Princesses that ever existed " , which meant the princesses worlds existed in StF, should be enough. But it could be ignored for now...