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SNK Games Discussion Thread

SamanPatou said:
Yes, but it overpowered his Raging Storm completely and it clearly the final hit against which he coulnd't entirely defend, and Terry wasn't trying to kill him anyway.
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Geese’s Raging Storm didn’t actually get overpowered surprisingly. At least going off of Nightmare Geese’s intro in EOST

I would argue if it downscales to base more, but with the way the text is worded (also the imagery does not line up with the opening) makes me wonder if we should even use the feat at all? Or if Masami Ōbari forgot about that detail? Who knows what’s going on there, but I think I feel more comfortable not using it.
 
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EOST is weird, because from what I'm seeing so far, the stories told over there a mix of tie-ins and what ifs, taking place sometimes before the tournament and sometimes after (or mixing the timeline, like Marco's).
My current stance is to consider them alternative stories, not entirely not canon, but certainly not canon either, as things that may have happened or may happen, providing infos and details that are probably legitimate even if the "canon" story did not account for the precise events occurred the moment said infos have been provided.

Nightmare Geese's EOST incipit is indeed weird and a contradiction to the animated trailer, which even recounts the Raging Storm going off.making it a matter of what source do we choose to take as more valid over the other.What's even funnier is that it says that Terry's Power Geyser shook the vicinity of the tower, a feat that could very well be high-end 9-A if not higher.
 
SamanPatou said:
Nightmare Geese's EOST incipit is indeed weird and a contradiction to the animated trailer, which even recounts the Raging Storm going off.making it a matter of what source do we choose to take as more valid over the other.What's even funnier is that it says that Terry's Power Geyser shook the vicinity of the tower, a feat that could very well be high-end 9-A if not higher.
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I think in this case, I’d rather say EOST is the more canon interpretation, going off of Real Bout Fatal Fury’s ending with Terry where something like that happens with Geese (those sprites say it all)
 
You're correct, I had never noticed Geese gasping for air and appearing clearly unwell in that instance. I guess we can give precedence to EOST then, but still opt for an additional rating and "at most" for durability. To better exemplify, something like this:

Terry: Attack Potency: 9-B, 9-A via Power Geyser
Geese (and the others ig): Durability: At least 9-B, at most 9-A.

In this way we acknowledge only Terry did showcase such levels of force and only through a move that is explicity stronger than the rest of his attacks, while also acknowledging that Geese was still overwhelmed by the attack, but not outright knocked out.

In short, this would be the uttermost level of force these characters can take, while still being hurt, even considerably, by weaker ones. That said, I'd be wary to scale anyone else to Terry's feat, even those who managed to defeat him, as it all relies on the trump card that the Power Geyser is.
 
SamanPatou said:
You're correct, I had never noticed Geese gasping for air and appearing clearly unwell in that instance. I guess we can give precedence to EOST then, but still opt for an additional rating and "at most" for durability. To better exemplify, something like this:

Terry: Attack Potency: 9-B, 9-A via Power Geyser
Geese (and the others ig): Durability: At least 9-B, at most 9-A.

In this way we acknowledge only Terry did showcase such levels of force and only through a move that is explicity stronger than the rest of his attacks, while also acknowledging that Geese was still overwhelmed by the attack, but not outright knocked out.

In short, this would be the uttermost level of force these characters can take, while still being hurt, even considerably, by weaker ones. That said, I'd be wary to scale anyone else to Terry's feat, even those who managed to defeat him, as it all relies on the trump card that the Power Geyser is.
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I think this is fair. Aside from the other characters, I think scaling the durability to them is kinda weird (plus that could lead to “oh that must mean their normal attacks could also be at most 9-A” which I am chill with but at the same time eh)

Unless it’s because Terry’s Power Geyser would always be at that level or something, which, fair enough.
 
I want to prevent circular scaling as much as possible, because their normal attacks being 9-A is simply wrong, as the 9-A feat was accomplished by a super attack, which explicitly scales a league above normal strikes.
It's the ever-lasting dilemma of trying to accomodate real-world logic to fiction, as Humans are for all intents and purposes well, 10-B, but can be hurt, to different degrees, by pretty much the entire 10-C spectrum, while being able to survive, once again to different degrees and conditions, impacts packing 9-C to 9-B levels of force, within common sense.

My logic would be that all characters are 9-B anyway, Terry alone can unleash 9-A (or whatever) power via his specific power geyser (scaling to it, in my view, requires strong evidence, like a direct counter or a precise statement), and people on Geese's level (Rock, Kain, Krauser, Terry etc..) may endure/survive said attack, but not tank ir nor replicate it.
 
I gave it a try at calculating the feat myself, with some help from wiser people than me and the result was higher than I'd have expected.
Assuming the value gets accepted, I'm even more skeptical at using this feat for a maximum durability rating, as it's totally off the charts, even for Geese himself, who then immediately dies to a 9-B fall. I know it's an outlier anyway, even with the current 9-B rating but the more you stray from canon and plot-relevant depictions the more unrealistic our made-up ratings become, even within the realms of suspension of disbelief.
calculating the surface are could be useful, but I totally don't know how to that and Geese is probably super close to the epicenter anyway.

As things stand, i either propose to limit it to Terry alone or to ditch it entirely, also because neither the original Real Bout nor Geese's Episodes of South Town mode depict this fiery explosion.
 
SamanPatou said:
I gave it a try at calculating the feat myself, with some help from wiser people than me and the result was higher than I'd have expected.
Assuming the value gets accepted, I'm even more skeptical at using this feat for a maximum durability rating, as it's totally off the charts, even for Geese himself, who then immediately dies to a 9-B fall.
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Not to be devil advocate, but Geese was hurt from his battle with Terry and likely tired too, its far easier to get hurt or die from simpler things under such conditions and lets not pretend that, just like guns in fiction, falls are a threat even to characters whom normally shouldnt worry of that
SamanPatou said:
As things stand, i either propose to limit it to Terry alone or to ditch it entirely, also because neither the original Real Bout nor Geese's Episodes of South Town mode depict this fiery explosion.
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And why should the original hold more relevance over the newer depiction? No offense this is utterly ridiculous to say the modern take has no authority over the one from an old game depiction

Any new info or modern take over an event from the past in a series should be taken as fact over what decades old products had, you for example changed Akuma teleport not being intangibility anymore based on new info, why Terry attack is the exception, also its literally an attack of his too, what is this option of not rating it at all in the profile if its gonna end just for him being a thing, on the premise its a way too powerful of an attack
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
And why should the original hold more relevance over the newer depiction? No offense this is utterly ridiculous to say the modern take has no authority over the one from an old game depiction

Any new info or modern take over an event from the past in a series should be taken as fact over what decades old products had, you for example changed Akuma teleport not being intangibility anymore based on new info
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Thing is with that. EOST is also a modern take, and it actually follows (and gives details) what happened in Real Bout a LOT more closely than what happens in the Masami Ōbari animation.
 
Yeah, my point was that the score favors the old different interpretation, with the original game and the EOST mode still from COTW.
I'm not absolutely opposed to including the Triple Geyser rating, but I'm more inclined to keep it as a bonus for Terry alone and not make a universal durability scaling, as even in that version, Geese was both overpowered (his raging storm was dispelled immediately) and utterly defeated, at which point I'd draw parallels to humans surviving 9-B impacts or fictional characters surviving but being incapacitated by attacks out of their league.
 
I still find it hard to believe, Kenshiro vs Cristiano Ronaldo is hands down one of the craziest, epic and absolutely nonsensical crossover matched of all times.
Also, I wonder how they'll manage to fit him inside the world of FF.
 
Most likely, but Kenshiro's character and personality is a direct consequence of the world around him, so it'll be interesting to see what he's actually doing in what's fundamentally our real world.
 
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I'm done compiling the various additions I want to apply to the Fatal Fury verse, so expect a CRT soon. I just need this feat to be calculated, as it may turn into a higher 9-B update than the current one, so if you know any CGM that could be willing to calc it, please let them know.
 
It took me a lifetime, but the first (Kaiser) wave of updates has finally touched shore! Come forth, then, fighters!

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