Small knull Adittions

[Artix9]

Knull is the great void in the creation mechanism that the Universe had to rectify.

He is the Empty space. He is the God of the Empty Space and the God of the Void.

Hela used these expressions for knull.

And knull confirmed these expressions.

He turned into Empty Space / nothingness and escaped from Hela’s prison; at the same time, this made him immune to the physical attacks of Hela’s soldiers.

Space is infinite-dimensional.

High 1B Higher-Dimanesional-Existence/Nonexistent Physiology type 3 /Incorporeality

Amazing Spider-Man 2022 ıssue #62 / knull ıssue #1

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Rgerdeena]

space being infinite dimensional doesn’t make knull infinite dimensional, not all space in marvel is is infinite dimensional so knull being empty space wouldn’t make him have stuff apply to him that applies to some space, everything else is probably fine

 

[Artix9]

space being infinite dimensional doesn’t make knull infinite dimensional, not all space in marvel is is infinite dimensional so knull being empty space wouldn’t make him have stuff apply to him that applies to some space, everything else is probably fine

Being the god of empty space

So to speak, it makes him the god of pure space

Moreover, Hela makes no distinction here.

He directly states that it is empty space

Here, you are making an assumption to draw a distinction and go beyond Hela's statements

As you claim

If there is a space division within the universe, you must prove it.

 

[Antvasima]

The first issue of Al Ewing's Knull miniseries explicitly stated that Knull is not the void, as that is Oblivion. Knull is merely of/created by the void. There also does not seem to be any valid evidence for Knull being infinite-dimensional here.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Being the god of empty space

So to speak, it makes him the god of pure space

Moreover, Hela makes no distinction here.

He directly states that it is empty space

Here, you are making an assumption to draw a distinction and go beyond Hela's statements

As you claim

If there is a space division within the universe, you must prove it.

The cosmology page says “In short: Although the positive matter universe is Low 2-C, the full extent of Earth-616 encompasses High 1-B realms. It must, however, be noted that not all feats of universal destruction in Marvel scale this high, because as seen with the Negative Zone and the Earth's Dimension itself, the constituent realms of a single timeline are also often referred to as being universes on their own right. As such, whenever a character destroys, or threatens to destroy, a universe, whether the feat scales to Low 2-C or High 1-B depends on the context behind it.” unless you can prove that the positive matter universe is infinite dimensional and not just the whole universe or can prove that the positive matter universe isn’t space or can prove that the cosmology page is wrong about dimensionality in marvel then not all space is infinite dimensional

 

[Rgerdeena]

The first issue of Al Ewing's Knull miniseries explicitly stated that Knull is not the void, as that is Oblivion. Knull is merely of/created by the void. There also does not seem to be any valid evidence for Knull being knfinite-dimensional here.

That comic called knull the void multiple times, also I don’t think that’s oblivion being the void means knull can’t be the void since marvel has multiple void okay never mind on that I misread what it said originally

 

[Rgerdeena]

The first issue of Al Ewing's Knull miniseries explicitly stated that Knull is not the void, as that is Oblivion. Knull is merely of/created by the void. There also does not seem to be any valid evidence for Knull being knfinite-dimensional here.

He’s still called empty space multiple times just isn’t the void itself, I think that empty space can be part of all non existence so he’d probably still get non existent physiology but i think it would be a state he can enter not a state he’s always in since he turned into it against Hela’s prison not already was it

 

[Eseseso]

Only thing I agree with is immortality. Nothing saying he has HDE, and the evidence for NEP 3 isn't sufficient

 

[Rgerdeena]

Only thing I agree with is immortality. Nothing saying he has HDE, and the evidence for NEP 3 isn't sufficient

Do you mean incorporeality because immortality isn’t proposed

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

This reads as Incorporeality at most, without any relevance to stats or tiering.

Can't even be NEP unless you can prove it applies to more than just his physical body

 

[Eseseso]

Do you mean incorporeality because immortality isn’t proposed

Yeah mb

 

[Artix9]

The first issue of Al Ewing's Knull miniseries explicitly stated that Knull is not the void, as that is Oblivion. Knull is merely of/created by the void. There also does not seem to be any valid evidence for Knull being infinite-dimensional here.

He call to Oblivion is a void

And for Knull he call "Empty-space"

Space is already infinite in dimensions in cosmology

 

[Artix9]

The cosmology page says “In short: Although the positive matter universe is Low 2-C, the full extent of Earth-616 encompasses High 1-B realms. It must, however, be noted that not all feats of universal destruction in Marvel scale this high, because as seen with the Negative Zone and the Earth's Dimension itself, the constituent realms of a single timeline are also often referred to as being universes on their own right. As such, whenever a character destroys, or threatens to destroy, a universe, whether the feat scales to Low 2-C or High 1-B depends on the context behind it.” unless you can prove that the positive matter universe is infinite dimensional and not just the whole universe or can prove that the positive matter universe isn’t space or can prove that the cosmology page is wrong about dimensionality in marvel then not all space is infinite dimensional

The main universe, Earth 616, is infinitely dimensional.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Space is already infinite in dimensions in cosmology

not all space

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

He call to Oblivion is a void

And for Knull he call "Empty-space"

Space is already infinite in dimensions in cosmology

That's a massive leap in logic

Its like giving anything in marvel that has mass scaling to the cosmology because mass inherently distorts space

There's no connection between the infinite dimensions of space and a statement saying Knull is an Empty-Space

 

[Rgerdeena]

The main universe, Earth 616, is infinitely dimensional.

Link is dead, also earth 616 isn’t a single universe it contains numerous universes within it

 

[Artix9]

Only thing I agree with is immortality. Nothing saying he has HDE, and the evidence for NEP 3 isn't sufficient

The scans I shared regarding Nep already indicate that it encompasses more than just the physical body.

As for Hde, it was stated in Venom 2018 that the void it materialises is space.

This was also mentioned in the new Knull event.

 

[Artix9]

Link is dead, also earth 616 isn’t a single universe it contains numerous universes within it

This does not change the fact that he is infinite-dimensional.

Here is the source: The Incredible Hulk issue #312

 

[Rgerdeena]

The scans I shared regarding Nep already indicate that it encompasses more than just the physical body.

As for Hde, it was stated in Venom 2018 that the void it materialises is space.

This was also mentioned in the new Knull event.

Did it say space as in it created some space or did it say space as in it created all space, there is a difference

 

[Artix9]

That's a massive leap in logic

Its like giving anything in marvel that has mass scaling to the cosmology because mass inherently distorts space

There's no connection between the infinite dimensions of space and a statement saying Knull is an Empty-Space

Empty-space=pure-space

 

[Artix9]

Did it say space as in it created some space or did it say space as in it created all space, there is a difference

Omg

 

[Artix9]

not all space

Here, no distinction is made between space.

 

[Rgerdeena]

This does not change the fact that he is infinite-dimensional.

Here is the source: The Incredible Hulk issue #312

that comic literally shows the other universes in earth 616, it was talking about earth 616 as a whole not the main universe when it said it’s infinite dimensional

 

[Rgerdeena]

Here, no distinction is made between space.

Marvel works weird, all the universes in earth 616 are connected through sub space but they aren’t connected through normal space, each universe in earth 616 has it’s own space, subspace is infinite dimensional and some of the universes connected to it are infinite dimensional but not every universe connected to it is infinite dimensional

 

[Rgerdeena]

Omg

Um that’s not an answer to my question

 

[Eseseso]

Yeah I still don't agree with anything other than maybe Incorporeality

 

[WarutTheHq]

I see it as incorporeality or possibly Nep 1, but I have to add Bodily Weaponry because Knull could easily use his hands and claws to kill Hela's servant.

 

[Antvasima]

Only thing I agree with is immortality. Nothing saying he has HDE, and the evidence for NEP 3 isn't sufficient

Agreed. Anything else has been rejected and is not up for discussion. I don't have the available time to argue here.