Small Dexter CRT (Mainly About M99)

[ThePrimalHunter]

Dexter has been racking up a hell of a lot of kills recently on VS Battles Wiki, mainly due to his broken ass syringes of M99. Now, I'm not here to try and remove any of those matches or anything (one of them will be removed by the end of this though), but I'm here to introduce a slight change to M99 because I don't think we should treat it like the real life thing.

So first off, M99 irl doesn't work as fast as it does in the show. There was actually a study conducted by the University of California, San Diego testing this, and they found that if you were to inject a non-toxic amount of Etorphine into someone, it could take upwards of 30 minutes to actually work. This is mainly because it just doesn't diffuse fast enough to actually knock someone out that quickly, even if you were to give them a non-lethal dose. But point is, in real life, it would take forever for it to actually knock out a human assuming you use little enough to not kill them, while Dexter is knocking them out almost instantly.

To add onto this, the study points out that in order to wake people up from the M99 injection, he would have to give them the antidote for Etorphine, which he never does, they wake up on their own. So that's further proof that Dexter's M99 doesn't work the same as real life M99.

Also, M99 clearly isn't as poisonous in the show as it is irl. People survive multiple injections over and over without ever suffering any ill effects. Now this could mean 1 of 2 things. Either everyone in the verse has extreme resistance to poison or M99 isn't treated as a poison in the verse. I'm willing to go with the latter. People have been killed by poisons before in the show, and M99 is never stated as being a poison or anything dangerous, just a knockout drug for large animals that also works on humans. When in reality, it's straight up just a poison for humans and a knockout agent for large animals.

And considering how Dexter's M99 consistantly doesn't act like real life M99 (Instantly knocks people out, doesn't need an antidote injection in order to wake someone up, ect), I don't think that assuming that it's as poisonous as it is irl is very accurate.

So overall, I think that we should get rid of Dexter's Poison Manipulation with M99 & his Resistance to Poison Manipulation. Dexter's M99 has never shown itself to be toxic, and it very frequently doesn't behave how M99 actually does in the real world. Because of this, I think that those abilities should be removed.

Only 1 match should be removed from Dexter's profile because of this, and that's the Walter White match. In that fight, it was said that Dexter would win because if Walter tried to use a poisonous gas to kill him, Dexter would live due to being immune to the effects of M99. But, since we're removing that resistance with this CRT, that match should be removed from all profiles.

Agree: 5 (ByArrow, King_Dom470, AThe1412, BigSmoke4269, 69Blood69)
Disagree: 0 ()
Neutral: 0 ()

 

[Homie890]

guys,its so dextover

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[ByArrow]

I agree

 

[King_Dom470]

Sadly agree

Dexter has been racking up a hell of a lot of kills recently on VS Battles Wiki, mainly due to his broken ass syringes of M99. Now, I'm not here to try and remove any of those matches or anything (one of them will be removed by the end of this though), but I'm here to introduce a slight change to M99 because I don't think we should treat it like the real life thing.

I know you vaguely touched on this at the end but not much should really change in a majority of those victories besides Dexter feeling a little less disappointed by the outcome

 

[AThe1412]

Agree with the change.

Sadly agree

I know you vaguely touched on this at the end but not much should really change in a majority of those victories besides Dexter feeling a little less disappointed by the outcome

The fact that Dexter wins by incapping the opponent then getting to execute and dissect them afterwards like he always does is honestly much better.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I know you vaguely touched on this at the end but not much should really change in a majority of those victories besides Dexter feeling a little less disappointed by the outcome

Yeah, all of those matches would still have the same outcome. Knocking someone out and killing them while they're asleep doesn't make their chances of survival any better than just getting straight up poisoned

And honestly it's far more in-character so if anything this just makes his matches better tbh

And we can always run a Dexter vs Walter White rematch too

 

[Homie890]

im wondering what would be dexter reaction to trying to do his "kill ritual" on someone that have like low-mid regen,would he get angry and quit or would he simly get annoyed?

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

im wondering what would be dexter reaction to trying to do his "kill ritual" on someone that have like low-mid regen,would he get angry and quit or would he simly get annoyed?

If he's determined to kill them and they keep regenerating, he'd probably just say "f*ck it" and cut their head off with a chainsaw or something

 

[AThe1412]

im wondering what would be dexter reaction to trying to do his "kill ritual" on someone that have like low-mid regen,would he get angry and quit or would he simly get annoyed?

His kill ritual is mainly about him obtaining the target's blood. He can dismember them afterwards with a chainsaw or any other way, especially if they're clearly not normal.

 

[Homie890]

hmmm,i see.
alright then,thanks for awnsering the question i had.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Was looking over some of the other profiles in the Dexter verse

Firstly, Dexter's video game & comic versions should also get poison manipulation removed. Unless M99 behaves diffrently in those mediums then they shouldn't have that ability. However, I don't have expertise on those verses so if M99 does behave more like a poison to humans in those versions, then they might be able to keep it

Also, every other character who uses/gets injected by M99 should have their poison manipulation/resistance to poison manipulation removed, as this thread is removing the Dexterverse's M99's poisonous properties

 

[King_Dom470]

Was looking over some of the other profiles in the Dexter verse

Firstly, Dexter's video game & comic versions should also get poison manipulation removed. Unless M99 behaves diffrently in those mediums then they shouldn't have that ability. However, I don't have expertise on those verses so if M99 does behave more like a poison to humans in those versions, then they might be able to keep it

Also, every other character who uses/gets injected by M99 should have their poison manipulation/resistance to poison manipulation removed, as this thread is removing the Dexterverse's M99's poisonous properties

I’m fine with the video games one being removed however I’m currently remaking the comics profile since the books are also canon to the comics. And in both the comics and novel he has feats of resisting toxic substances pretty consistently

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I’m fine with the video games one being removed however I’m currently remaking the comics profile since the books are also canon to the comics. And in both the comics and novel he has feats of resisting toxic substances pretty consistently

Gotcha. I'll edit the video game version & let you decide if the comics should keep Poison Manipulation & Resistance to Poison Manipulation or not

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[BigSmoke4269]

this is true. i argued this same point earlier lol

 

[69Blood69]

I agree

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[ByArrow]

Bump

 

[ByArrow]

Bump

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump

 

[Hixkaryana]

I have poor knowledge on Dexter but I do think it's possible he might've altered the composition of the Etorphine. For example, it could be modified to increase its lipophilicity, allowing it to cross the blood-brain barrier quickly for faster sedation (there have been research on the lipophilicity of opioids and its impact, it's long but it clearly states "can alter their pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic properties"). They might also include neuromuscular blockers to cause immediate paralysis, so the person looks unconscious before the drug fully takes effect. For the waking up the drug might have a built-in molecular mechanism that makes it unstable at certain body temperature or pH levels. Some other opioids like Remifentanil have molecular groups (analogs) that cause rapid breakdown, anyhow there are literally a thousand ways for him to be able to make all of these effects come together.

I'm pretty sure he could keep it given his knowledge of anatomy and biochemistry, he could administer a precise dose small enough to knock someone out quickly without fatally suppressing their respiratory system.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

I have poor knowledge on Dexter but I do think it's possible he might've altered the composition of the Etorphine. For example, it could be modified to increase its lipophilicity, allowing it to cross the blood-brain barrier quickly for faster sedation (there have been research on the lipophilicity of opioids and its impact, it's long but it clearly states "can alter their pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic properties"). They might also include neuromuscular blockers to cause immediate paralysis, so the person looks unconscious before the drug fully takes effect. For the waking up the drug might have a built-in molecular mechanism that makes it unstable at certain body temperature or pH levels. Some other opioids like Remifentanil have molecular groups (analogs) that cause rapid breakdown, anyhow there are literally a thousand ways for him to be able to make all of these effects come together.

I'm pretty sure he could keep it given his knowledge of anatomy and biochemistry, he could administer a precise dose small enough to knock someone out quickly without fatally suppressing their respiratory system.

This is possible but A. This is all speculation. There's nothing saying that he actually did this. Dexter is fictional, so if they want they can easily just have their fictional version of M99 be an instant knockout drug without the need to alter it. And B. He still wouldn't have poison manipulation, which is the main thing we're removing here

 

[Hixkaryana]

This is possible but A. This is all speculation. There's nothing saying that he actually did this. Dexter is fictional, so if they want they can easily just have their fictional version of M99 be an instant knockout drug without the need to alter it. And B. He still wouldn't have poison manipulation, which is the main thing we're removing here

Those speculations seems to clearly be more fitting than a fictional version of M99 especially in the context of a series that is setup in a realistic manner, and if those speculations happened to be true he would still qualify for Poison Manipulation.

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Those speculations seems to clearly be more fitting than a fictional version of M99 especially in the context of a series that is setup in a realistic manner, and if those speculations happened to be true he would still qualify for Poison Manipulation.

It clearly doesn't behave like a poison though, it's a lot more likely that the creators just didn't really account for the fact that it's actually super poisonous irl. Unless there's actual proof of the speculation (Dexter changing the endorphine on a chemical level) then it's safer to assume the speculation that takes way less assumptions, which is that this is just a fictional version of the drug

And again, this doesn't account for the fact that the drug doesn't behave like a poison, and the characters in the verse consistantly don't show resistance to poisons as people have been killed by poisons in the show, and nobody ever treats M99 like it's a highly poisonous chemical like it is irl

It just isn't poisonous in the show, and we shouldn't assume it is just because the real life version of it is

 

[Hixkaryana]

It clearly doesn't behave like a poison though, it's a lot more likely that the creators just didn't really account for the fact that it's actually super poisonous irl. Unless there's actual proof of the speculation (Dexter changing the endorphine on a chemical level) then it's safer to assume the speculation that takes way less assumptions, which is that this is just a fictional version of the drug

And again, this doesn't account for the fact that the drug doesn't behave like a poison, and the characters in the verse consistantly don't show resistance to poisons as people have been killed by poisons in the show, and nobody ever treats M99 like it's a highly poisonous chemical like it is irl

It just isn't poisonous in the show, and we shouldn't assume it is just because the real life version of it is

On that I agree, but what are the requirements to obtain poison manipulation? I don't remember it being specified that the substance needs to be deadly to be considered a poison.

 

[AThe1412]

Bump?

 

[Infinitinet]

This seems simple. Agreed.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I agree

 

[King_Dom470]

Wait hear me out here, in season 5 when Dexter tranqs Boyd Fowler and in response Boyd hits him with a tranq dart (which Boyd implied would be used on the gator if it was alive) which means the tranquilizer would probably be one of these things (xylazine, detomidine, romifidine, acepromazine (a tranquilizer) and butorphanol (a synthetic narcotic)). All of which would have made Dexter very sick if not just outright killed him but he was completely fine afterwards.

Meaning that at the very least Dexter could keep his poison resistance just not with the M99 justification anymore.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

both dexter and boyd were given immediate medical treatment iirc

 

[King_Dom470]

both dexter and boyd were given immediate medical treatment iirc

Pretty sure it was actually hours later

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Slight bit of a necro

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

Bump