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Slight Arceus Hax Addition

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ProfessorKukui4Life

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"In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of chaos. At the heart of chaos, where all things became one, appeared an Egg. Having tumbled from the vortex, the Egg gave rise to the Original One."

Wouldnt this give Arceus Void Manipulation? In the void in the beginning he is taking all of the "chaos" that was there and bringing it all into one being to form the egg that was soon give rise to Arceus.
 
No, that is simply stating that Arceus' egg appeared in the middle of the void, which is what caused him to exist. The text blatantly says that the egg gave rise to the Original One, not Arceus.
 
Didnt we accept that Arceus and the Original One are the same being? Or at least thats what ive been told since thats why he has Type 8 Immortality and Low-Godly Regen.
 
I don't see what that has to do with anything. Nothing implies the egg was created by the Original One/Arceus, but rather it just popped into existence.

Hell, the egg just appeared, it wasn't molded from the void.
 
@The Everlasting

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh_myths

"In the beginning, there was only
a churning turmoil of chaos.
At the heart of chaos, where all
things became one, appeared an Egg.
Having tumbled from the vortex, the
Egg gave rise to the Original One.
From itself, two beings the Original
One did make.
Time started to spin.
Space began to expand.
From itself again, three living things
the Original One did make.
The two beings wished, and from them,
matter came to be.
The three living things wished, and
from them, spirit came to be.
The world created, the Original One
took to unyielding sleep..."
Void/Nothingness Manipulation seems reasonable
Original One = Arceus
GFGF
 
He has high reality warping and conceptual manipulation, would that support the possibility of him getting void manipulation.
 
@Spazzdog

Having one type of cosmic power doesn't make you more or less likely to have another. It's up to the series' themselves to decide that.
 
@Kukui

I suppose that's fine, but I still highly doubt Arceus just willed himself into exist based on the above. We're just making too many assumptions.
 
Kk. I will do so in a bit.

Though I don't think willing himself into existence would be the reason for Void Manip. It'd be gathering everything into one that would be I think. But I can be wrong. just thought this was worth discussing about.
 
@Reppuzan

In the pokédex it is said many times that Arceus molded the world when there was nothing.

Nothingness Manipulation seems reasonable.

GFGF
 
As far as I know, we regard the Original Spirit as the disembodies consciousness behind Arceus.

The OS can exist and act in a void. However it was never stated that the OS could warp the void itself. The OS could have become one with the void, the myth is not accurate enough to confirm or deny that. The only thing I can remember that could classify as void manip is Arceus erasing some boulders, but not sure about that. Maybe Cal can give more input.

However Arceus already has void manip, it's listed as void user.
 
"The OS could have become one with the void, the myth is not accurate enough to confirm or deny that"

So?
 
@Zexgen

As The Everlasting has stated multiple times, creating something out of nothing is Creation. Creating something with nothing is Void Manipulation.
 
It depends on how serious you take the myth. "At the heart of chaos, where all things became one" implies that the egg was created, when everything that was at that time concentrated on a single point. If you take this serious there are two possible theories:

The Original Spirit predated that egg and manipulated the void to create it. The egg contained Arceus. (Void manip, yes)

Something else caused the Egg to come into existence and the egg contained the OS, which later willed itself the body Arceus. Since nothing existed prior to the OS, the egg must have come from the chaos concentrating the void. (Void manip, maybe, but no proof)
 
@Zexgen

That's just a fancy way of saying Legendary Pokemon.

And I'm not sure, given that it hasn't appeared in any entry of the series outside of Mystery Dungeon.
 
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