Slay the Princess Shifting Mound Addition

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

So in a interview with the devs we got some piece of information https://int-magazine.com/interview/slay-the-princesss-tony-howard-arias-and-abby-howard/

Because she has the heart to acknowledge the independence of another while also seeking to be with them.

You two each have your own freedom. So you could have also gone your separate ways. Since she is also a god, she could have destroyed you too.

But she didn’t.

Why?

Because you are dear to her.

The Shifting Mound can destroy The Long Quiet as well and that the only reason she doesn't is because she doesn't want to. So she should get the appropriate abilities/negations like the TLQ has.

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1), Transduality (Types 1 & 2), Nonduality (Type 3), Nonexistent Physiology (Nature Type 2, Aspects 1, 2, 3 & 5 [Other: Causality]) & Likely Regeneration (Mid-Godly) & Immortality Negation (Types 1, 2, 3, 5 & 7;

 

[Qawsedf234]

I guess it's fine

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

bump

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

bump

 

[Re5yh]

looks good, i agree

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Looks alright.

 

[MrKerf]

I am not so sure. They are each other's mirrors and opposites, cycles of life and death. It doesn't feel right. Even more so with the Long Quiet being a canvas upon which the Shifting Mound is imposed upon.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

bump

 

[Qawsedf234]

I am not so sure. They are each other's mirrors and opposites, cycles of life and death. It doesn't feel right. Even more so with the Long Quiet being a canvas upon which the Shifting Mound is imposed upon.

The Long Quiet feels stronger, but that doesn't mean they SM is incapable of killing him. The Multitude was able to destroy TLQ throug absorption for example through his avatar.

 

[MrKerf]

The Multitude was able to destroy TLQ throug absorption for example through his avatar.

I don't remember the details (and admittedly, far from seeing all the routes), did she fully destroy him, as otherwise it wouldn't really count?

In general, I am a huge proponent of the Death of the Author, so I am incredibly reluctant to add it based on the single line of the interview.

 

[Vietthai96]

Why Shifting Mound have transduality type 2 but Long Quiet have nonduality type 3?, this is confusing, either both have transdual or nondual

 

[Qawsedf234]

don't remember the details (and admittedly, far from seeing all the routes), did she fully destroy him, as otherwise it wouldn't really count

You fade into oblivion and the achievement implies that the universe just outrights stops existing. So the implication is that you're dead-dead rather than mostly dead

Why Shifting Mound have transduality type 2 but Long Quiet have nonduality type 3?,

Shifting Mound is all qualities including "Is:Is Not" and stuff like that, but the Long Quiet is nothing and existis without of those concepts afaik. So that's why he has ND while she has TD.

 

[Vietthai96]

That still isn't transdual though, since it doesn't mean she transcends all those qualities, she is just being all of them, neither of them, etc...if she transcends those qualities, mean her nature is > Long Quiet rather than both being opposite of each others, since one is transdual while other is nondual

Also, nondual isn't just only lacking

 

[Qawsedf234]

That still isn't transdual though, since it doesn't mean she transcends all those qualities,

The explanation for transcendence is in her PnA section

She is "the Ebb and Flow, the Capacity to Change." The abstract concept of transformation[27] and contrast itself which is the shape of everything.[25] Being contrast itself, the shape of everything which connects all things, and what dictates opposites as a whole means she simultaneously exists in all conceivable opposites such as "is" and "is not", "beginning" and "end", as her very nature is "paradox." To transform is to go from "what is" to "what is not."[25] She remains uninfluenced by the endless dance of her "multitudes" which are her opposites[31] and is unrestrained by notions such as "is" and "is not."[25] She and the Long Quiet are stated to be the cycle of life and death, creation and destruction[27])

She encompasses all dualities through her embodiment of change, but is still uninfluenced and unrestrained by them. Which is where the TD comes from.

mean her nature is > Long Quiet rather than both being opposite of each others, since one is transdual while other is nondual

TLQ is also TD, he's just ND in addition to that

Abstract Existence (Type 1) & Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 2) & Nonduality (Type 3; 5 States) & Transduality (Type 2 [4 States];

 

[Vietthai96]

She encompasses all dualities through her embodiment of change, but is still uninfluenced and unrestrained by them. Which is where the TD comes from.

This is just resistance; you can get resistance from being nondual, as DontTalk and the current nondual site stated, resistance isn't evidence for transcendental

How can you get both Transdual and Nondual in one state???

 

[Qawsedf234]

This is just resistance;

Being uninfluenced and unrestrained seems like transcendence rather than resistance in my view.

How can you get both Transdual and Nondual in one state???

I think he's ND in the 5th state and TD in the other 4

 

[Vietthai96]

Being uninfluenced and unrestrained seems like transcendence rather than resistance in my view.

this seems like simply unrestrained as in not bound by dualities, rather than also transcends over them, though i understand if you interpreting it as transcendence

I think he's ND in the 5th state and TD in the other 4

this is even more confusing

 

[MrKerf]

You fade into oblivion and the achievement implies that the universe just outrights stops existing. So the implication is that you're dead-dead rather than mostly dead

I mean, it doesn't look like the hero is fully realised his powers here, I am more comfortable saying that it was his normal self, meaning she kills his avatar without affecting the Long Quiet. And if universe stops existing, it wouldn't affect them, nor the construct, right?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

this is even more confusing

So Shifting Mound scales to 4 values, while TLQ exists in opposition to her nature so he occupies an entirely different value. However TLQ is not transcendently above the SM so he's only nondual over transdual states.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Makes sense, it's not like she ever really tries to kill you in that form. Even when you two fight, she kinda just surrenders after a bit of struggling.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I mean, it doesn't look like the hero is fully realised his powers here, I am more comfortable saying that it was his normal self, meaning she kills his avatar without affecting the Long Quiet. And if universe stops existing, it wouldn't affect them, nor the construct, right?

Both TLQ and the SM can kill each other through their weaker avatars. It's how two of the endings happen, with the destruction of the main form only being possible when the Long Quiet has continously rejected the Shifting Mound's attachment to him.

To be honest while it's theoretically possible she can kill her other half, her powers and mindset seems against it by nature. The Long Quiet was designed in a way where he doesn't need the Shifting Mound to function, but I'm nlt entirely sure if the reverse is true. The nature of the Shifting Mound sorta requires something to struggle against. So maybe a likely or possibly rating like how we do with her EE ability.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So Shifting Mound scales to 4 values, while TLQ exists in opposition to her nature so he occupies an entirely different value. However TLQ is not transcendently above the SM so he's only nondual over transdual states.

Nonduality means that you exist in absence of duality to the point where it cannot be imposed upon you. Transduality means that the character exists in a superior state to dual systems, so even if imposed upon you the character is above it.

Viet was asking a question about the SM being TD while the TLQ being ND would make her superior, which is why I explained that their both TD but in the aspect where they aren't TD, the Long Quiet is ND. Which is a confusing topic to talk about.

 

[Vietthai96]

Anyway, the thread is fine, though i still not exactly agree with the whole you are transdual in some states and nondual in other. Because transdual or nondual are refering to transcendental state that either you are not participating in duality or qualitatively transcend duality altogether, in other word, you are either lacking or transcending the qualities, not the logical states

And still no verse page

 

[Qawsedf234]

And still no verse page

I don't think there's enough profiles for a verse page. Even if we added the narrator I'm not sure if we hit the minimal threshold. We'd have to split the Princess' keys into different pages to really get anywhere.

 

[Vietthai96]

I don't think there's enough profiles for a verse page. Even if we added the narrator I'm not sure if we hit the minimal threshold. We'd have to split the Princess' keys into different pages to really get anywhere.

Isn't we have a talk about how many profile require to make a verse page?, we mostly agreed on 1 profile is enough, though the thread isn't officially concluded, i think two is enough, also having narrator profile is nice too

 

[Qawsedf234]

Isn't we have a talk about how many profile require to make a verse page?, we mostly agreed on 1 profile is enough, though the thread isn't officially concluded, i think two is enough, also having narrator profile is nice too

I've been busy with IRL stuff so I haven't been looking at staff threads. If the change is accepted and low profile counts are allowed we can make a verse page eventually.

 

[MrKerf]

The Long Quiet was designed in a way where he doesn't need the Shifting Mound to function, but I'm nlt entirely sure if the reverse is true.

That’s one of my main logical issues tbh, I asked about it before above too.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

To be honest while it's theoretically possible she can kill her other half, her powers and mindset seems against it by nature. The Long Quiet was designed in a way where he doesn't need the Shifting Mound to function, but I'm nlt entirely sure if the reverse is true. The nature of the Shifting Mound sorta requires something to struggle against. So maybe a likely or possibly rating like how we do with her EE ability.

Just to note, they have a piece of each other inside the other which is why reality is able to just not be some indistinct nothingness after one of the others death. Like when you destroy the SM it's described as you having lost a piece of yourself as well. I don't think a possibly rating is appropriate because here it's just stated straight up she can destroy you. While for possibly EE I just put it like that because there wasnt any other statement and TLQ was shown to have it due to his sheer power.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Was this ever applied

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Was this ever applied

dont think so. didnt know if it had enough concrete votes. if it does can you do it since you're able to open and close the pages and all

 

[Qawsedf234]

dont think so. didnt know if it had enough concrete votes.

You had two and an admin. Which I think is fine.

I unlocked the page, since I'm not completely sure how you wanted to word the justification.

 

[Vietthai96]

Lol, remember to change it into Paraconsistent Physiology

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Applied

 

[Vietthai96]

Closing this if no one complains