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Skibidi Toilet CRT (Part 2)

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Since SJG was stone walling some of the revisions I was trying to apply, I'm making a separate thread for the rest of the issues I have with the profiles

First going over P&A sections:
No feats are given for this, and none of the combat feats I've seen performed by generic camera/speaker/tv men are really grounds for martial arts + weapon mastery, especially not for every alliance member to get both abilities by default, characters like Plungerman wouldn't scale to generic alliance members since they're generally shown as superior. If feats for this exist for generic alliance members, then put them here and fine, the abilities can stay, but for now they should be removed

I brought this up before, but none of these injuries are "immediately lethal," (Bisection can be survived by a normal human, albeit only for a matter of seconds, and we can't be sure of the exact damage the saw did or how deep it went, so we can't say for sure if this is immediately lethal either) and the fact that such wounds will kill alliance members if they don't get help means none of this is Type 2 Immortality, which is specifically for characters capable of indefinitely surviving lethal wounds, as of now all of this is just surviving lethal wounds for longer than a human, but still dying to them, and as such is just stamina
  • Recording and Stealth (All Cameramen can record what they see, with other Alliance members being able to see what they see through tablets or even through TV Men screens, thanks to that, Cameramen are always the ones spying on Toilets, hiding to record what they see)
As for this one, I'm not denying that cameramen try to hide to record things, but the section currently links Stealth Mastery, yet all of the feats of cameramen hiding are them hiding very poorly and getting discovered very quickly, which is nowhere close to "mastery" of stealth
  • Knife Proficiency (All Speakermen have Knifes, which they are very good at using and can even utilize them in creative ways, like launching them at enemies using their speakers)
Like with the generic section, there's nothing linked that would suggest speakermen have mastery over knife combat, and the latter is just basic usage of their own attack reflection
No reason given besides "well they should," we don't just give characters resistances to their own hax unless they display such, and TV men don't display resistance to their own light, hakai this.
Like with the alliance members, no linked feats, and in every instance I've seen of toilets fighting none of them display either mastery with weapons or skillful unarmed combat, especially not to the point of every toilet having both abilities.
This is pretty minor, but even normal sized skibidi toilets are only Type 0 Small Size, as standard toilets are at minimum 27 inches, or 68.58 centimeters tall, meanwhile Type 1 SS starts at 50 cm, just change this to "Up to Type 0 Small size and Type 1 Large Size"
Both of these instances are strange, for Scientist Toilet, the description claims he was unaffected even though we can visibly see it doing something to him (He's just twitching a bit, but that's still some effect) and G-Toilet was exposed to such weaponry for like a second, there's also nothing (From what I can tell) listed showing what this weaponry is supposed to do to someone who doesn't resist it, and currently all of its linked feats are just making someone twitch a little at best, which is making it hard to tell if this is a legit resistance or just characters being affected exactly how we'd expect them to
Just like before, the claim that this toilet was "unaffected" is untrue as we see the weapon invoke the same twitching it did against Scientist Toilet, and without feats of this paralysis weaponry against "non-resistant" characters, I can't tell if this is legit
If their only feats are controlling Alliance members/robots, then they should only have Technology hax,

Radiation resistance is probably fine, but surviving in space doesn't grant cold resistance anymore, nuke that part from orbit
Detainer Astro lost his Power Null, so it should be removed from this profile too, and NPI should go too (And by extension, be removed from Detainer Astro's profile) the reasoning given for it, which for some reason isn't listed on Titan Cameraman's profile, is that T-Cameraman could use Detainer Astro's arm to smack away an energy attack. The problem is that we can't just assume this energy is non-physical, it's only ever shown having properties of something physical, and there aren't any examples of other characters trying and failing to interact with it because they lack NPI
No reasoning is given for this, it just says "he should" with no source or reasoning. This has no reason to be here, kill it
  • Possibly Paralysis Inducement (Should be similar to other Large Cameramen, who have Stun Batons, capable of Paralyzing characters as strong as Strider Toilets)
If he hasn't been shown to have this equipment then we can't just assume he does, help I'm running out of ways to say delete this
  • Limited Danmaku (Capable of firing a large number of shots, with amount being even higher when overcharged)
No linked feat so I'm unsure if this would qualify as danmaku, but again, if it's legit than add a scan and it can stay
This should probably just be hacking, it's not "manipulating" technology in any way, it hijacks devices and stops them from working, that's just hacking
This is pretty minor, but the teleportation/smoke manipulation Energized TV uses isn't really "enhanced" compared to general TV Men, he just uses it in different ways
Just piloting a mech isn't grounds for vehicular "mastery," just like how being able to drive a car isn't
I talk about G-Toilet's intelligence later, this should go since none of G-Toilet's feats indicate this level of intelligence
  • Enhanced Senses (As a former Astro Toilet, he should possess ability to see where to go and his enemies from extremely long distances)
G-Toilet lacks the physical characteristics of other Astro Toilets (i.e. flight & warp speed) so we can't just assume he does possess the enhance senses
For some reason both of these are listed both on his profile and on the physiology page his profile already links, I've already covered the problem with both of these
This feat is listed both as a feat of RE and Supernatural Willpower, at no point in the series does G-Toilet showcase the ability to grow resistant to abilities with repeated exposure (If anything, as an example, he's more vulnerable to Titan Cameraman's fire the second time he uses it compared to the first), so this should really just be Supernatural Willpower
G-Toilet "sensing a pattern" in Detainer Astro's movements was just getting smacked in the face twice then putting a forcefield over his face, and the latter two are a pretty basic "prediction" (His opponent disappeared for a while so he looked behind him) in the first case, and basic strategy/deception in the second, (G-Toilet saw him catch one orb and so threw a few technology hax ones) not any kind of analytical prediction
G-Toilet only resists the red light, so he should only have resistance to Madness Manipulation (We can't say him resisting one kind means he should resist both/all of them)
If the energy balls don't have feats of Mind manip then we shouldn't give it Mind manip
Like with TV Woman, just piloting a thing isn't "mastery"
Like with the physiology page, remove Mind manip
Also already listed on the physiology page, where I already brought up my problem with it
These abilities are all well and good for the Scientist himself, but there's no listed scan of the mech itself being able to teleport, and if it doesn't have a showing of being able to do so, then we can't just assume it can (If it can then it can and a scan should be added, but otherwise remove this)
Resistance to Light Manipulation
Why does the mech have these? It was never exposed to this, and also, it's a mech piloted by someone, it doesn't have a mind to manipulate, so it shouldn't have these resistances listed anyway
Unless Laser Scientist has feats of preparation, we shouldn't just assume it's an ability he has (In the context of preparation as it's defined on the ability page)
Once more, if it's good then add a scan, otherwise throw it away
What does "sneaking up" look like in this case? Like a few previous things, add a scan and if it's good it's good
Like I said with Titan Cameraman, we can't just say this energy is non-physical and its only showings are displaying physical force
if the "technology hax" is what I think it is, then that wasn't "manipulating technology" in any way, Juggernaut Astro just one-shot G-Toilet's shield, which his profile even notes. The shockwave generation, while technically true, should probably just be explosion manip (Since explosions are shockwaves and in this case, Juggernaut makes an explosion powerful enough to knock Titan Speakerman away, he doesn't separately make both an explosion and a shockwave)

Many profiles currently have these resistances
None of the profiles make any mention of these glasses or lenses having special properties that protect against this hax, (Just being called "protective" isn't proof, which they also just aren't in-series, they block out light, that's what glasses and lenses do) the characters in question also aren't resisting the hax in any way, they're blocking out the light to prevent its harmful properties, that's not resistance, that's exploiting the hax's limitations. Light resistance is fine since the things block out light, but the mind and madness resistances aren't

Except for Juggernaut Astro and Scout Astro, who don't have any showings of their masks blocking out light, just their profiles claiming that they probably do, even though there's no interactions between their masks and the hax light
  • Telepathy (Can talk with others in their head)
  • Technology Manipulation (Tinkers with Cameramen tech, making it that their recording and transmission doesn't work)
These two are being treated as special abilities SA has even though we only typically ever see him with his computer and it's entirely possible that these are simply applications of hacking instead of supernatural abilities he possesses (We outright see SA display hacking to talk to Scientist Toilet, so we already know it's something he can do)
  • Possibly Restoration (Restored damage to Green Tied Twin Cameramen)
There's no scan listed here so I can't say for certain, but are we sure that SA actually restored this cameraman through a restoration ability and not just fixing them normally? (Or even just getting someone else to do it?) if he does it himself with hax, then sure, add a scan and it's all good

Resistances:

All of these resistances should go (Except maybe fire but if it's the clip I'm thinking of then get rid of it too) in the clip linked for Sound manip, he's just not there, so he wouldn't be getting exposed to the sound (And if the explanation was he was hacking a cameraman who was being exposed, then he could just not be receiving sound in which case he also wouldn't be exposed to it
Bio Manip & Corruption have the same problems for the first few links, he's not there, and if he's hacking a cameraman then he could just not be receiving audio. The last clip isn't a resistance, he doesn't resist Scientist Toilet trying to convert him, he's just being cocky (And again, he could just not be receiving audio, Scientist Toilet isn't speaking back to him)

The light manip resistance doesn't even try to give a reason. He never displays any feats of resisting the light, he never even interacts with it. Cast these resistances into the void

And now stats, after the revisions, the stats are fine for the most part, although some justifications are kind of bad, and some characters' intelligence ratings should be downgraded

Intelligence: At most Gifted (Has been an experienced fighter for the longest time out of the 3 titans. On occasions seems to be the one leading the Cameramen. Is shown to understand reverse language, which is extremely hard to learn. Very quickly figured out about the technology manipulative orbs.)

I talk more about some of this with the other titans, but only months of experience and learning a difficult language (Without context to how difficult) are Above Average feats at best, and the last one also isn't a gifted feat, he realizes touching this thing fired at him is a bad idea and swats it away, he doesn't figure out exactly what it does, just that he shouldn't touch/grab it
From Plungerman's durability:

Small Building level, likely higher (Comparable to Dark Speakerman. Survived being taken down by Scientist Skibidi Toilet Mech. Superior to Lucky Cameraman, who survived This Explosion. Superior to regular Cameramen, who withstood this explosion almost point blank, as well as this one), Survived an encounter with Armored Skibidi Toilet by unknown means, only losing a leg)

At least City Block level (Can withstand his own rammings into enemies. Protected Plungerman from death by Scientist Toilet's eye laser)

For the first one and the mech dura, the mech he was piloting, which scales far above himself, got one-shot by this laser, it not being atomized on the spot doesn't matter, it was still taken out by a single hit, this just isn't a feat of durability for the mech, and is a massive outlier for Plungerman (And without this there's no reason for Plungerman, and by extension the rest of the low tiers, to have a likely higher rating, so they should just be 9-A flat, yes he's stronger than normal cameramen, but the feat they scale to is pretty low-end 9-A and Plungerman isn't ridiculously stronger than them, 9-A characters stronger than them should just be "At least 9-A") the mech also has Class K LS scaling to Large Speakermen for no reason, yes it can kill characters on that level, but that's not grounds for scaling in LS

As for the second bolded part in Plungerman's dura, as the profile itself mentions, we have no idea how this encounter played out and Plungerman lost a leg in it, we don't know what led to him losing that leg, we don't know if he actually took any attacks (That didn't lead to him losing a limb, which also isn't a durability feat) everything else is fine, but this shouldn't be used as justification for his durability

Tl;dr: nuke the "likely higher" from the low tiers, the Glitch Mech's Class K and a few justifications from Plungerman's dura section
Durability: At least City Block level (Roughly comparable to Large Speakermen, who can kill Strider Toilets, which tanked a shot from Camera Satellite. Superior to two Large Cameramen who were not completely destroyed by G-Toilet's eye lasers as well as to Polycephaly, who survived being hit by Scientist Skibidi Toilet's second mech's lasers, which are This Strong. Roughly comparable to Berserker Mutant Skibidi Toilet, who endured attacks from Glitchmobile)

Two 8-Bs not being atomized by a 7-C isn't a durability feat
Lifting Strength: Class K
No reason given and no feats of scaling in LS to other 8-Bs

Durability: At least City Block level (Vastly superior to Strider Toilets, who tanked a shot from Camera Satellite. Easily withstood shots from Bill Tank Skibidi Toilet. Barely survived a shot from 4 of G-Toilet's lasers)

Again, an 8-B taking an attack from a 7-C, which apparently nearly one-shot them anyway
Durability: Town level, likely higher (Was able to resist hits from Titan Cameraman and Titan TV Man. Tanked an explosion of dozens of rockets by helicopter skibidi toilets, who'se rockets showed to be effective against City Block level characters. Survived Scientist Toilet Mech's laser cannon tentacle. Endured an onslaught of attacks from G-Toilet), higher via Overcharged/Supercharged.

A Town level character tanking 8-B rockets isn't a notable feat, explosions like this don't "stack" in a way that would make tanking dozens of them more impressive than tanking one for a 7-C, these rockets' AP is hundreds of times lower than Titan Speakerman's durability

Intelligence: At most Gifted (Has shown impressive combat while fighting toilets, is a more experienced fighter than Titan TV Man. Understands reverse language, which is extremely hard to learn. As a titan he is well coordinated within numerous difficult battles.)

Like I discuss later, Titan TV is only Above Average intelligence at best, learning a difficult language is only an AA feat without any context as to how difficult it is to learn, and on its own coordinating multiple battles shouldn't grant a Gifted intelligence rating
Durability: Small Building level, likely higher (Comparable to and no-sold being punched by Plungerman)

This description is acting like Plungerman was actively trying to seriously maim or kill Dark Speakerman, he was just pissed off and likely wasn't trying to actually hurt him, seeing as they both just walk off afterward
Intelligence: At most Gifted (Possibly realized the plan of G-Toilet, what other Titans can't realize, showing superiority. Has fought with months of experience. Speaks in a difficult language, which would be extremely hard to learn.)

What part of the first link is Titan TV "realizing G-Toilet's plan?" He fights him, gets wrecked by his allies, then dips. "Speaking in a difficult language" is an Above Average feat at best, as would be months of experience
Intelligence: At most Genius (Creates different plans to defeat his enemies, choosing the right allies for the battle, with a whole strategy. Leads the Skibidi Toilets, which possibly number in billions, and can speak all languages of Earth, including Skibidi, which is noted to be "More Complex" compared to Earthly languages. In the past, used to be a Commander of Astro Toilets on the same rank as Assailant Astro Toilet as seen by amount of stripes on the helmet. Tricked Detainer Astro Toilet into catching his technology manipulating orbs.[1] Fought against all 3 Titans competently, barely surviving.)

None of this is really "genius" intelligence, he's a good leader and an experienced fighter, but realistically this should only cap at Gifted
Lifting Strength: Class K (Able to hold Alpha Hills Lab’s elevator door, each side with one arm, which should be somewhat comparable to this door)

Why is the door being assumed to be similar in size to another? We can't just say they're comparable for no reason. We'd need to actually calculate the size of the door he does hold open
Lifting Strength: Class M
No reason for scaling to the top tiers in LS, he can hurt them with his attacks but that's not a reason for his LS to scale.

Intelligence: Above Average (Is one of lesser leaders of the Skibidi Toilet and thus should possess a higher intelligence than most of them. Attacked Titan Cameraman from behind for better efficiency)

Being smarter than other toilets isn't much of a feat when they're explicitly incredibly stupid. Attacking someone from behind is incredibly basic strategy and isn't indicative of beyond Average intelligence
Lifting Strength: Class K | Class M
Just like Mafia Toilet, no reasoning for LS scaling, and feats of hurting characters doesn't mean you scale in LS
Lifting Strength: Class K

Once more, no reason for LS scaling beyond being able to hurt characters who have this LS, kill it.
Attack Potency: At least City Block level, possibly Town level, likely higher (Killed a camera strider in a single attack, who should be comparable to Strider Toilets. Can harm those who can harm him)

Lifting Strength: Class M (Comparable to Titan Cameraman)

Striking Strength: At least City Block level, possibly Town level, likely higher

Durability: At least City Block level, possibly Town level, likely higher (Superior to the Strider Toilets, which tanked the Camera Satellite)

There is no reasoning given here for this guy to scale to Titan level, his listed feats are all scaling to or above 8-B mid tiers, and his description also says he was killed by those mid tiers, nuke all of the tier 7 stats and the Class M LS
This profile honestly shouldn't even exist yet, given the character doesn't have any feats, any unique abilities that it's not assumed to possess or that are granted by physiology (Besides Large Size) and has barely appeared in the series. If we are keeping it then

Speed: At least Hypersonic, likely higher, Massively Hypersonic+ travel speed with warps, likely far higher at max acceleration (The description of Episode 74 confirmed that the Astro Toilets are interstellar conquerors, using their warp speed for interstellar travel)

Stamina: At least Superhuman
Intelligence: Likely Gifted, possibly higher (The largest and seemingly highest ranked Astro Toilet in the series, seemingly higher in rank than G-Toilet when he was an Astro Commander)
These stats should all be Unknown (Aside from maybe the warp speed section) since similarly to its AP/Dura/LS, it's being treated as far superior to everything, but it's still entirely featless
Speed: At least Subsonic firing speed

There's no reasoning given for this, and we probably wouldn't be able to calculate it anyway, given we don't know either how high above the ground it was floating or how big it is (A quick google search says 200-350 kilometers is the minimum height for something to have a stable orbit around Earth, but it's also just visibly not that high, so probably not)

Range: Likely Hundreds of Meters firing Range. Hundred Meters Explosion range.

If we end up using the "200-350 kilometer" orbit, then its firing range should actually be upgraded the only upgrades you're going to see here to hundreds of kilometers, though iirc we generally use the radius of an explosion for its range, so that should only be tens of meters
Lifting Strength: Class M up to possibly Class G when working together

The current Class M figure they scale to is nowhere close to Class G, I've also never seen any other group profile give a LS rating to the combined strength of all its members working together and I'm pretty sure that's just not something we do. (And even if we did it wouldn't be Class G)

Intelligence: Above Average to Gifted (Every Titan seem to be the respective leader of their sub-faction, combat-vise Titan Cameraman is the most experienced, and, despite being the strongest and seemingly academically the smartest, Titan TV Man seems to possess the least combat experience out of the 3)

Since all of the Titans should be downgraded to Above Average, Gifted should be removed here too


And finally:
First, all of the Titans have no reasoning given for their Class M LS beyond upscaling from Large Speakermen, whose LS is only Class K. (I don't agree with using the Class K end and think the Large Speakermens' size is too inconsistent, but whatever) Yes, they're stronger, but the gap between the Class K feat and Class M is ~2.6x which is far higher than the maximum ~1.3x gap that upscaling is allowed to cover and grant new tiers.

But there is different reasoning given on Juggernaut Astro's profile and only his profile

Class M (Superior to Detainer Astro Toilet and can carry around 68% of his weight at warp speed with one arm. Casually swatted a roof of a building with one arm)

Firstly, "68%" is just an eyeballed number and should probably be actually calculated, second, he doesn't "carry around" Detainer Astro and only gets behind him to push him with his warp, which makes scaling this to LS odd since it's more of a quick impact that moves him instead of a slower, sustained lift/push (Which is why characters don't get LS ratings from the force behind attacks like punches or kicks) and, even if this is a valid feat of LS, Juggernaut Astro is way stronger than anyone else in the series. He one-shots G's shield that could take hits from the other top tiers, and none of them ever actually match him in a way that would scale to LS, nobody should scale to this guy, and all of the other top tiers should be downgraded to Class K, Juggernaut Astro should probably also only be Class K. There are other feats that could potentially be Class M, but until someone actually calculates those, they should just be Class K
I think that's everything. Wow this ended up being way bigger than I thought it'd be. There are a few things I'm iffy on, like several characters having "Hundreds of Meters" range without any source, but I'm unsure of if they're legit or what they should be if they're not
 
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Looks a lot better than my CRT on the subject. I do think some type of Type 2 Immortality is warrented, as Titan Cameraman could survive missing a limb for like 10 episodes straight and could survive having large chunks of him blown off, so maybe the titans could get it.

Other than that, everything else looks fine
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
Looks a lot better than my CRT on the subject. I do think some type of Type 2 Immortality is warrented, as Titan Cameraman could survive missing a limb for like 10 episodes straight and could survive having large chunks of him blown off, so maybe the titans could get it.

Other than that, everything else looks fine
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Losing a limb just, isn’t inherently fatal damage though, it’s a really good feat of stamina, but being a robot kind of mitigates the main hazard of losing a limb: the blood loss, without which there’s nothing making the loss of a limb deadly, so stamina’s all it would be, “large chunks” could potentially be Type 2, though that depends on what he’s losing

Either way, basic alliance members shouldn’t have it
 
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Also after looking at the full clip, Titan Camerman “figuring out G-Toilet’s Hax orbs” is even less of an intelligence feat than I thought, since literally seconds prior he just watched Titan TV Man eat shit after absorbing one of these orbs, of course he’d think they’re dangerous after that

And Detainer Astro’s stealth mastery is also a hard no, he tries to sneak up on G-Toilet once and gets caught, that’s literally his only stealth “feat”
 
Many profiles currently have these resistances
None of the profiles make any mention of these glasses or lenses having special properties that protect against this hax, (Just being called "protective" isn't proof, which they also just aren't in-series, they block out light, that's what glasses and lenses do) the characters in question also aren't resisting the hax in any way, they're blocking out the light to prevent its harmful properties, that's not resistance, that's exploiting the hax's limitations. Light resistance is fine since the things block out light, but the mind and madness resistances aren't
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To support this even more, the Skibidi Toilet wiki (which exists apparently), says that the lenses protect aganst "Photon-Based Armaments", which is just a fancy way of saying light. It's specifically only blocking out light. So that's proof straight from the horses mouth
 
Soupywolf5 said:
I redid the Astro Toilet calc since his previously calculated weight didn't take machinery hollowness into account. The new version is 2.97727 kilotons, so the top tiers are Low 7-C again
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Genuinley one of the most impressive calcs I've seen in a while, you did an amazing job with that

I really don't think there's going to be anybody disagreeing with this calc since people are okay with the speed and the math is solid so I'll get to work on the changes later today
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
Genuinley one of the most impressive calcs I've seen in a while, you did an amazing job with that

I really don't think there's going to be anybody disagreeing with this calc since people are okay with the speed and the math is solid so I'll get to work on the changes later today
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Thanks, I spent way longer on it than I'd like to admit
 
More potential downgrade-adding bump

After looking through more of Secret Agent's abilities, I'm pretty sure almost none of them are legit (Do note that none of them have scans and as such I'm forced to just assume which scene each ability is referring to, though if I'm wrong about any then it'd be a pretty quick and easy fix)

  • Invisibility (Seemingly turns invisible. Made Plungerman and Dark Speakerman invisible)
I believe the first part is based off the scene where Plungerman sees a cameraman seemingly fade into nothing (The same scene his fire resistance comes from), except not only is this not SA, but this could also just be another application of hacking to alter what Plungerman sees. (He's already using hacking to take down his recording & transmission) The second half would be Power Bestowal, not Invisibility, since he's only giving others the ability to turn invisible
  • Teleportation (Constantly teleports around, can teleport others as well)
Again, if this is based off the Cameraman disappearing, then that's likely just another application of hacking to make Plungerman see the cameraman disappear, it's also, again, not SA doing this anyway. The teleporting others part, probably based off him supposedly bringing Plungerman to him to talk to him after Scientist Toilet was killed, is almost certainly just another application of hacking. Plungerman's physical body was bisected at this point and he could barely move, yet when SA is talking to him, he's in perfect condition. It's very likely SA just hacked Plungerman to see himself talking to SA.
  • Time Stop (Stopped time to talk with Plungerman)
This one's just blatantly not true, we can see that events happened around Plungerman during their confrontation, the other alliance members have moved around
These two just have no source and I have no idea where they're from (I might have an idea of where the Light manip comes from and if I'm right then giving someone light manip for their computer screen glowing on them is certainly the take of all time)

And a few stat oddities:

Attack Potency: Unknown, Small Building level, likely higher with Powers (Burned Plungerman)

If there's no source for the Fire manip then the 9-A stuff should be removed too

Range: Standard Melee Range, far higher with Teleportation

He probably just doesn't even have teleportation, so axe this as well

Age: Unknown, possibly 51-56 (Looked 25-30 y.o in 1979 as a human, still lives at the time of Youtube's existence)
  • Possibly Longevity (Was alive in 1979 and seemingly hasn't aged since)
Sure Alpha-Hills Labs has been around since 1979, but just because that's plastered over a picture of SA working there that doesn't mean he was around during the lab's inception. you could find propaganda or ads for current, hundred+ year old companies with their current employees on them, that doesn't mean those employees where around when the company was founded

Intelligence: At least Gifted (Skilled manipulator, plotter and organizer, used to be an Administrator of Alpha-Hills Labs, and his involvement possibly lead to discovery of this. Is able to understand Skibidi language (Hard to hear, but voice of the scientist can be heard following Agent's lines behind the sounds of Guard Toilet) which is described as "far more complex" compared to Earthly ones)

Unless SA has been shown taking a hands-on approach to Alpha-Hills' research, we can't just assume he directly caused said discovery or scale his intelligence to any discovery the lab makes. (There's also no context for what "this" even is or how technologically impressive it is) For the second part, this scene doesn't actually suggest SA can understand Skibidi, he's literally just contacting this dude to gloat and tell him he's screwed, and at no point does he actually hold a conversation with him, and at that point all SA has in intelligence is being vaguley skilled at manipulation/plotting/organizing, (None of which we really see from his outside of like, calling Plungerman his pawn) and being good at hacking, at best this would only be Above Average
 
Bump (I'll probably apply these later if there's no objections, since it's been almost a month)
 
But at this point you have no excuse, if you have a problem with any of the proposed changes, you should bring them up here. No objections were brought up in the entire month since I made this thread, so if you want to change them, you'll have to talk about them here.
 
SJG13673 said:
I brought you 4 evidences of G-Toilet being an Astro Toilet, so passive abilities of them he shall retain
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You gave examples of him having the rank of an astro toilet, nothing about him possessing the physical traits, which is important given he's physically different from all of the other Astro Toilets, so unless he's got showings of having their physical traits, then no he won't (Also they're on the physiology page anyway, so they shouldn't be on his page even if he did have them, that defeats the whole purpose of having a physiology page)
 
Soupywolf5 said:
You gave examples of him having the rank of an astro toilet, nothing about him possessing the physical traits, which is important given he's physically different from all of the other Astro Toilets, so unless he's got showings of having their physical traits, then no he won't (Also they're on the physiology page anyway, so they shouldn't be on his page even if he did have them, that defeats the whole purpose of having a physiology page)
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Having a rank of an Astro toilet = Being an Astro toilet, no? He showed to have laser eyes and things like resistence to radiation or enhanced senses can't be as easily shown.
You are far too demanding to things that should be a simple deal I would say, and considering you never actually watched the series, as you don't know obvious things about it like Scientist Mech toilet being able to teleport, that kind of looses the weight of your opinion in my eyes. G had them listed because he doesn't possess most other traits of Astros that come from their equipment.
 
SJG13673 said:
Having a rank of an Astro toilet = Being an Astro toilet, no? He showed to have laser eyes and things like resistence to radiation or enhanced senses can't be as easily shown.
You are far too demanding to things that should be a simple deal I would say, and considering you never actually watched the series, as you don't know obvious things about it like Scientist Mech toilet being able to teleport, that kind of looses the weight of your opinion in my eyes. G had them listed because he doesn't possess most other traits of Astros that come from their equipment.
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Not necessarily. Possessing a similar rank doesn't make you physiologically comparable to other characters with that rank.

And yes they can? Showing enhanced senses isn't that hard.

How you feel about my opinion doesn't matter. And yes, that's my point, he doesn't possess the same traits, he can't fly like the other Astro Toilets, he can't warp like them, he clearly doesn't possess the same physiology, so we can't say he possesses the enhanced senses and radiation resistance that they do unless he shows such
 
Soupywolf5 said:
Not necessarily. Possessing a similar rank doesn't make you physiologically comparable to other characters with that rank.

And yes they can? Showing enhanced senses isn't that hard.

How you feel about my opinion doesn't matter. And yes, that's my point, he doesn't possess the same traits, he can't fly like the other Astro Toilets, he can't warp like them, he clearly doesn't possess the same physiology, so we can't say he possesses the enhanced senses and radiation resistance that they do unless he shows such
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It does.

All of these abilities come from technology Astros possess, as they repeatedly shown to spin their rings when warping and flying
 
SJG13673 said:
It does.

All of these abilities come from technology Astros possess, as they repeatedly shown to spin their rings when warping and flying
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No, it doesn't

Rings that are part of their body, which just goes back to my point of G-Toilet being so clearly physically different from other Astro Toilets that we can't just assume he has the same abilities
 
Soupywolf5 said:
No, it doesn't

Rings that are part of their body, which just goes back to my point of G-Toilet being so clearly physically different from other Astro Toilets that we can't just assume he has the same abilities
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Yes, it does

You have no proof that these rings are part of their bodies, as some lack them completely with other machinery in place, watch the series in the end of the day.
 
SJG13673 said:
Yes, it does

You have no proof that these rings are part of their bodies, as some lack them completely with other machinery in place, watch the series in the end of the day.
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No, it really doesn't, "a rank" barely means anything on its own

If you want to say that those abilities come from technology then how can you confidently say that the others don't? Either way you spin it G-Toilet wouldn't get them, either it comes from technology, in which case he doesn't have said technology, or it's a natural physiological trait, in which case he's too different to say for sure that he possesses such traits
 
Soupywolf5 said:
No, it really doesn't, "a rank" barely means anything on its own

If you want to say that those abilities come from technology then how can you confidently say that the others don't? Either way you spin it G-Toilet wouldn't get them, either it comes from technology, in which case he doesn't have said technology, or it's a natural physiological trait, in which case he's too different to say for sure that he possesses such traits
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High rank shows your experience in battles and level of responsibility in army.

He possessed the eye lasers which are clearly fully established in lore to be a High-ranking Astro's ability as shown by Assailant and Duchess, and G-toilet showed them in V1, when he had no tech on his body whatsoever.
 
SJG13673 said:
High rank shows your experience in battles and level of responsibility in army.

He possessed the eye lasers which are clearly fully established in lore to be a High-ranking Astro's ability as shown by Assailant and Duchess, and G-toilet showed them in V1, when he had no tech on his body whatsoever.
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Sure, experience, it has nothing to do with sharing physiological traits with other members (You're also assuming these rankings are structured 1:1 with human army rankings)

Yeah, he shows having eye lasers, so he has that ability on his profile. "Fully established in lore" a few astro toilets show the ability and a few don't (You'd think Detainer Astro would use this ability every Astro Toilet apparently possesses once he loses his arms rather than just sitting there and taking G-Toilet's attack but he doesn't) it's not "fully established" that all Astro Toilets possess laser vision
 
Soupywolf5 said:
Sure, experience, it has nothing to do with sharing physiological traits with other members (You're also assuming these rankings are structured 1:1 with human army rankings)

Yeah, he shows having eye lasers, so he has that ability on his profile. "Fully established in lore" a few astro toilets show the ability and a few don't (You'd think Detainer Astro would use this ability every Astro Toilet apparently possesses once he loses his arms rather than just sitting there and taking G-Toilet's attack but he doesn't) it's not "fully established" that all Astro Toilets possess laser vision
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I said High Ranking = 5 Stripes on helmet (G-Toilet in the past and Assailant) and apparent Royalty (Duchess Astro)
 
SJG13673 said:
I said High Ranking = 5 Stripes on helmet (G-Toilet in the past and Assailant) and apparent Royalty (Duchess Astro)
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Okay? I'm not disputing that anyone has a high rank, I'm saying that such a rank simply doesn't mean anything for their physiology
 
Soupywolf5 said:
Okay? I'm not disputing that anyone has a high rank, I'm saying that such a rank simply doesn't mean anything for their physiology
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In case of Astros rank clearly gives you access to Eye Lasers, as not a single astro below 5 Stripe rank or Royalty showed this ability
 
SJG13673 said:
In case of Astros rank clearly gives you access to Eye Lasers, as not a single astro below 5 Stripe rank or Royalty showed this ability
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Previously you said rankings were just experience and leadership, and I agree with that, the ranks themselves don't inherently grant any abilities, so saying you "gain access to eye lasers" upon reaching a certain rank is a completely unfounded assumption unsupported by the series, they aren't something that should be an inherent trait of physiology, characters that show it have it and those that don't show it don't
 
Soupywolf5 said:
Previously you said rankings were just experience and leadership, and I agree with that, the ranks themselves don't inherently grant any abilities, so saying you "gain access to eye lasers" upon reaching a certain rank is a completely unfounded assumption unsupported by the series, they aren't something that should be an inherent trait of physiology, characters that show it have it and those that don't show it don't
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I said it about ranks in General, with no Astros in mind. "Unsupported by series", says a person who never watched the series in question, Astros below Rank of 5 Stripes consistently shown to lack Eye lasers.
 
SJG13673 said:
I said it about ranks in General, with no Astros in mind. "Unsupported by series", says a person who never watched the series in question, Astros below Rank of 5 Stripes consistently shown to lack Eye lasers.
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Well then please, show me the scan of an Astro Toilet ranking up and suddenly gaining access to eye lasers, show scans for Astro Toilets suddenly gaining enhanced eyesight upon reaching a sufficient rank
 
Soupywolf5 said:
Well then please, show me the scan of an Astro Toilet ranking up and suddenly gaining access to eye lasers, show scans for Astro Toilets suddenly gaining enhanced eyesight upon reaching a sufficient rank
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The fact that not a single Astro Toilet below 5 Stripe rank or Royalty status (Duchess) showed eye lasers when they had opportunity in 11 Episodes of all of Astro screen time should be enough for you, it's very clearly ability only accessible to very high ranking Astros
 
SJG13673 said:
The fact that not a single Astro Toilet below 5 Stripe rank or Royalty status (Duchess) showed eye lasers when they had opportunity in 11 Episodes of all of Astro screen time should be enough for you, it's very clearly ability only accessible to very high ranking Astros
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No, characters not using it wouldn't be proof that it's only accessible to higher ranks, especially when those higher ranks don't have any showings of gaining abilities upon reaching those ranks. Characters not using it means they don't have it, and the high-ranking ones using it means they have it, that's not proof in and of itself that a high rank grants eye lasers, (Or any other ability for that matter) you'd need to prove that the ability/abilities are specifically tied to rank
 
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