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You didn't specify if the mind hax that Grimmon starts with is control or destruction.
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Sirzech vs Grimmon
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Hmm well it depends on what Grimmon starts with.
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If he starts with the mind control, then sirzechs wins, if he starts with destruction, incon
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I doubt he starts with destruction doe.DragonEmperor23 said:
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Also would mind destruction be fatal? I mean what does "mind destruction" mean in this case? Cus he lacks a physical mind, so what does he destroy?
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He would destroy his consciousness and it would make you brain dead basically.
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I don't think he does either, it says he mind controlled entire cities so if he's used mind control that much he would probably start with it.
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So make you unable to think huh? That would be incap so...i got a questionPsychoWarper said:
If a character gets incapped in the process of eliminating his opponent is it inconclusive?
Also yeah i doubt grimmon is like "hah i collected a thought time to kill everyone cus my ability is f-ing 2-A
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yeah, getting incapped when ur opponent is dead is incon
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Why I think that would be considered Incon but we need to now what Grimmon starts with.
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hecc, that type of talk will incite hate
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I wouldnt suggest saying something like that Fire.
Plus just because Person A loses to Person B but Person B loses to Person C doesnt always mean Person C can beat Person A.
Plus just because Person A loses to Person B but Person B loses to Person C doesnt always mean Person C can beat Person A.
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Telling a person to commit suicide or incapping is a win.Firephoenixearl said:
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Incap yes.Gargoyle One said:
Telling to commit suicide isn't, i mean it is but it is too slow, it will never happen before Grimmon dies.
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Uhh What?
Telling a person to commit suicide kills them which is a win condition.
Why would it be too slow before Grimmon dies? Lucifer can't erase him because he's far beyond his range
Telling a person to commit suicide kills them which is a win condition.
Why would it be too slow before Grimmon dies? Lucifer can't erase him because he's far beyond his range
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Grimmon FRA.
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What range? It's beyond his passive range, not his active range.Gargoyle One said:
Grimmon says "go die" (commans him to go die) at that same moment he dies (due to active PoD from Sirzechs). Grimmon dies, though Sirzechs "has to go die". Sirzechs wants to die, doesn't die though. Mind destruction is another thing doe.
@The Wright Way
What do you mean Grimmon FRA? Grimmon has no argument for a win here. It's inconclusive if he starts with Mind destruction and win for Sirzechs if he starts with Mind Control. We'r waiting on someone to clarify it. U gonna have to explain your vote.
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Actually, it does have an argument, from me
Grimmon mindfucks from beyond his passive range, and he can't affect Grimmon from there
It's quite simple
Grimmon mindfucks from beyond his passive range, and he can't affect Grimmon from there
It's quite simple
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Sirzechs has active PoD too though. Sirzechs thinks he just erases Grimmon.Gargoyle One said:
Grimmon thinks he does something to Sirzechs. Depending on what he does will change this from sirzechs' win to inconclusive since both die.
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Only Grimmon is outside his range thanks to SBA.
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That's assuming he actually leads with it.
Sirzech's can't win here, the best he pulls is an Incon
Also I don't even remember PoD being thought based
Sirzech's can't win here, the best he pulls is an Incon
Also I don't even remember PoD being thought based
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This is literally the first time you have ever brought up Sirzechs Mind haxing right away. Not to mention. Why would Grimmon be affected by PoD when he's not in range? Grimmon can mindhax not only 2-A's, but Nonexistent Beings, Sirzechs is not safe from that. Not to mention Sirzechs has no defense for Chrono DSR which is also a move Grimmon likes to spam. A move which is just like PoD. I don't see Sirzechs winning this. Grimmon has my vote here.
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He can just make balls appear in specific places in space. So he can just make a ball appear around Grimmon.Gargoyle One said:
And "assuming he leads with it". When you have to assume someone leads with his only card. PoD is sirzechs only move, the rest he almost never uses.
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He is not. He is out of passive range, not active range. Active range for Sirzechs far outclasses SBA.The Wright Way said:
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Not sirzechs mind hax. Sirzechs erases.
Also you are gonna have to explain (since they basically left it to you). Grimmon leads with mind control or mind destruction?
Also you are gonna have to explain (since they basically left it to you). Grimmon leads with mind control or mind destruction?
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Didn't you say that Sirzechs starts with energy ball versions of the PoD on the Medaka thread?
Anyway, Grimmon starts with Mind Control and turns Sirzechs into his slave.
Anyway, Grimmon starts with Mind Control and turns Sirzechs into his slave.
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Same thing. Active PoD. He can just wrap someone in PoD. It's active though, since this is outside of Passive range and in character.Dragonmasterxyz said:
Then it's Sirzechs win. EE > Mind Hax. Via Mindhax not being instantly lethal.
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EE isn't instantly lethal until you use it.
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What logic is that?
EE > Mindhax.
EE is useless when said user won't be able to use it anymore. The moment Grimmon mind haxes, the fight is over.
EE > Mindhax.
EE is useless when said user won't be able to use it anymore. The moment Grimmon mind haxes, the fight is over.
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MindHax is useless if the user is dead you know. Hear me out m8.Dragonmasterxyz said:
EE and Mindhax happen.
EE = instant death
Mindhax = turns into slave
Which do you think would win here?
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Mindhax will happen, EE won't because Lucifer won't was with it, it's simple.
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Mindhax happens before he can EE, thereby making it useless.
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Wright Way
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Except Grimmon is nowhere in Sirzechs range.
The EE won't happen because Grimmon would have mind haxed by then.
Process of events.
Grimmon Mindhaxes
Sirzechs becomes a slave
EE does not happen.
Now what verdict do you think is granted here?
The EE won't happen because Grimmon would have mind haxed by then.
Process of events.
Grimmon Mindhaxes
Sirzechs becomes a slave
EE does not happen.
Now what verdict do you think is granted here?
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Excuse me. Why does mindhax happen before EE again? They both happen at the same time.
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Except according to you,
Sirzechs,
Throws ball of Destruction which Chrono DSR counters.
Apparently Mind haxes.
Or maybe extends PoD.
Going by Medaka, Balls of Destruction seem more likely.
Sirzechs,
Throws ball of Destruction which Chrono DSR counters.
Apparently Mind haxes.
Or maybe extends PoD.
Going by Medaka, Balls of Destruction seem more likely.
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Except Grimmon is nowhere in Sirzechs range.
From Sirzechs' profile: several kilometers with PoD.
Several Kilometers being the radius of Japan here. If 4km is out of sirzechs range according to you then LOL.
From Sirzechs' profile: several kilometers with PoD.
Several Kilometers being the radius of Japan here. If 4km is out of sirzechs range according to you then LOL.
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Except that Sirzechs doesn't in character start with that range. Something YOU stated multiple times.
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