Sirzech vs Grimmon

[DragonEmperor23]

If grimmon mind haxes Sirzechs and gets closer then he gets EE'd

 

[Kaltias]

No one cares about Akron tho

But yeah, the point is that being more likely to lead with your hax doesn't justify a stomp, if i understood correctly.

Luke is probably a better example if we talk about M I N D H A X

 

[Firephoenixearl]

No it's not. Otherwise every Homura thread would be a stomp.

2-A vs 6-C doe. How is it fair?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Shouldn't the profile be 6-B physically, 2-A with mind hax?

 

[Kaltias]

No?

Mind hax is mind hax. Grimmon can't blow up multiverses with mind hax

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

No, because it's hax. And it is not 2-A vs 6-C. It is a 6-C vs a guy with 4-D mindhax and mindhax that can affect beings with nonexistent minds. It has nothing to do with AP, but state of being.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Shouldn't the fact that his mind hax is multiple tiers above him be somewhere on the profile?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Does Sirzechs start out in his house? Because if not, Chrono DSR and mindhaxmon FRA.

On a related note, Chrono DSR sounds like such a cool name. What does it do again and what does DSR mean?

 

[Kaltias]

Shouldn't the fact that his mind hax is multiple tiers above him be somewhere on the profile?

"Mind Manipulation (Control and Destruction. Was able to control the minds of most of Night Crow or Light Fang respectively in which are entire cities full of humans and Digimon. This included the likes of ChaosGallantmoand Ophanimo and their respective tamers. All of his powers based around Chrono DSR are derived directly from Chronomo)"

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

It is.

Mind Manipulation (Control and Destruction. Was able to control the minds of most of Night Crow or Light Fang respectively in which are entire cities full of humans and Digimon. This included the likes of ChaosGallantmo and Ophanimo and their respective tamers. All of his powers based around Chrono DSR are derived directly from Chronomo)

EDIT: Ninja'd

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I c

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Im actually amazed 2-A potency in attacks is completely fair under the rules. Unless we bloodlust this (which imma make in the future) yeah Grimmon wins, unless it's a stomp.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I mean, Higher Dimensional hax is like no longer restricted sooo....

 

[Someone_who_likes_to_read]

Actually with bloodlust Grimmon would most likely start with his 2-A EE so it would end the same or in a Incon.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean, Higher Dimensional hax is like no longer restricted sooo....

No longer restricted doesn't = fair.

Jill cannot lose her type 8 now, that doesn't make it fair to put her vs anyone doe.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

On a related note, Chrono DSR sounds like such a cool name. What does it do again and what does DSR mean?

Aside from the mind hax stuff. It destroys and degrades any form of data it comes into contact with (when he uses the energy ball version of it) or it can be used to de age people and steal the power of evolution.

Also Chrono DSR stands for Chrono Destruction.

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, as far as the result is concerned, there is objectively no difference at all as long as the effect is instant and it's > the resistance.

Instant mind hax that works on 100 people on a guy without an adequate resistance works just as well as 1-A mind hax on a guy without adequate resistance.

The effect is the same. The opponent gets instantly mind haxed.

 

[Theglassman12]

Grimmon should take this for the reasons stated above.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

No longer restricted doesn't = fair.

Jill cannot lose her type 8 now, that doesn't make it fair to put her vs anyone doe.

Except it is as without Chrono DSR, Sirzechs would actually win.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Except it is as without Chrono DSR, Sirzechs would actually win.

Either that or bloodlusted sirzechs. So imma make bloodlusted sirzechs later on xD

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I mean, both being bloodlusted means that Grimmon goes for Chrono DSR spam ending in like inconclusive.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean, both being bloodlusted means that Grimmon goes for Chrono DSR spam ending in like inconclusive.

Sirzechs bloodlusted has 4km passive range doe.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

No, bloodlusted means, he will just increase it to said range right away. And Chrono DSR would kinda, destroy his PoD is it comes into contact with it.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

No, bloodlusted means, he will just increase it to said range right away. And Chrono DSR would kinda, destroy his PoD is it comes into contact with it.

Sirzechs transforms = 4km range. Sirzechs in character = holds back and makes it couple of meters long. Sirzechs goes from in character to bloodlusted = spreads to 4km. Sirzechs starts in bloodlusted = 4km range, since he never retracted the range.

Also with speed equal the time it would take an aura to work is fairly negligable. Kind of like how you don't measure the time it would take the photon to get to GK's eye for his passive to start.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Sirzechs tranforms. Grimmon Chrono DSR's, both die.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Sirzechs tranforms. Grimmon Chrono DSR's, both die.

Sirzechs starts transformed doe. Thats what "sirzechs in true form means".

 

[Someone_who_likes_to_read]

It's still a Stomp if Sirzechs start with 4km range he stomps via passive, while if he does not Grimmon stomps via Chrono-DSR erasing Sirzechs EE.

 

[XenoBreaker2803]

What put Zech passive range at 4km?

 

[PaChi2]

How is the vote count?

 

[Someone_who_likes_to_read]

Grimmon : 8 ( Gargoyle One, The Wright Way, Dragonmasterxyz, Tony di bugalu, me, anonymous Blank, The real cal howard, Theglassman12)

Sirzechs: 1 (Firephoenixearl)

Incon: 1 (DragonEmperor23)

 

[ウロボロス]

What put Zech passive range at 4km?

Nothing, there's no feats whatsoever that puts his Human aura destruction form at this range

In Volume 12, both the TL (from Baka-tsuki) and original scan (japanese) had his aura extending up to at least a few meters, it's basically CQC.

In Volume 21, he shakes the entire island from releasing his power...but it doesn't mean his aura is spreading to the entire island, just the energy from using the technique was so dense it started shaking the island

 

[PaChi2]

So grace peeiod is on.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I changed my vote to Grimmon doe.

Also about the 4km range. Sirzechs was able to shake the entire realm of the dead via sheer strength and in his true form PoD is released without his control. He holds back that's why it's meters long though since PoD can envelop all of japan it wouldn't be safe to say that sirzechs' PoD in his true from is incapable of enveloping the country.

I mean there is just some scaling that goes on after what i said, but yes country wide range when he's not holding it back.

 

[PaChi2]

So its unanimous? Let's add it.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Nothing, there's no feats whatsoever that puts his Human aura destruction form at this range

In Volume 12, both the TL (from Baka-tsuki) and original scan (japanese) had his aura extending up to at least a few meters, it's basically CQC.

In Volume 21, he shakes the entire island from releasing his power...but it doesn't mean his aura is spreading to the entire island, just the energy from using the technique was so dense it started shaking the island

Take that kudos, you magnificent bastard that came down from heavens to purge the wank

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Take that kudos, you magnificent bastard that came down from heavens to purge the wank

B-but he wasn't even part of the DXD CRT. Sirzech scales from ppl to that range and AP.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Also, I know it's an overkill at this point, but

Grimmon FRA